Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Views of old entertainment changed because of transgressions of the entertainer

Collapse

First Unread Thread Button

Collapse

X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    Views of old entertainment changed because of transgressions of the entertainer

    Bill Cosby - The Cosby Show
    OJ Simpson - Naked Gun movies
    Michael Richards - Seinfeld


    #2
    I still like the movies and their characters from the shows while disliking them as a person. I get while people refuse to watch those shows or listen to the Michael Jackson which is fine and their choice. I think it's different when it's something you've watched/experienced in your past as opposed to something you've never seen. Take MJ for example. His music is so ingrained in my personal life. The songs bring back personal memories, feelings, and moments in time that it's hard to just cut that from my history. Now take something I've never viewed or listened to I would probably choose to not view if I know a major character had done something along the lines of those individuals.

    Comment


      #3
      1. Creepy now
      2. Meh.
      3. Meh.

      Comment


        #4
        I echo Julz sentiments about Michael Jackson. If you grew up in the 80's Thriller was such an important part of your childhood. It would be like a Baby Boomer trying to cut out Elvis or The Beatles. If I hear Billie Jean or Human Nature I'm listening to the whole song. As far as OJ, I would still watch The Naked Gun movies.He was only a small part and those movies were so great. I still watch Rosemary's Baby every now and then when they show it on Halloween even though the director is a convicted pedophile. I haven't watched a Woody Allen movie in a long time and have no real interest in doing so. Cosby was tough for me because I was such a fan of his. He was like America's Dad. I don't think that I could watch an episode of The Cosby Show again.
        Last edited by Loose Shoes; 06-17-2019, 12:44 PM.

        Comment


          #5
          I don't know that I would have Michael Richards on the list with the others. He lost his temper at some hecklers and said some hateful things but as far as I know he doesn't have a history of being a bad guy. And yes I still watch Seinfeld.

          Comment


            #6
            Originally posted by Loose Shoes View Post
            I don't know that I would have Michael Richards on the list with the others. He lost his temper at some hecklers and said some hateful things but as far as I know he doesn't have a history of being a bad guy. And yes I still watch Seinfeld.
            I still watch Seinfeld and enjoy it. When the Seinfeld DVDs started being released, I'd buy each season as it was released. I watched all the DVD extras and I started to see that Richards was always on the edge of anger. He saw himself as an artiste so when Julia would ruin a take by laughing, he was genuinely upset and angry although he did try to hide, but not very well. He never seemed to be having the same amount of fun as the others were. So I wasn't all that surprised when he had his fall from grace. It is difficult for me to like the character of Kramer as much as I used to, though. And that was even before the whole racist rant thing. I would watch episodes and those behind the scenes things would come to mind and I would just think how the guy was a self-important douche.

            Although OJ is a minor part of the Naked Gun movies, when he's on-screen, his real life murdering persona overshadows any enjoyment I'm currently getting from the movie.

            As for the Cosby show, I loved that show. Still do. I'm glad that some channels still play it even after all that has come out about him. But I don't end up stopping and watching episodes like I used to. I just scroll past it on the guide. If I do watch it, I just can't get the same enjoyment out of it. I try to compartmentalize it and enjoy the writing and the other actors and the family environment but Cosby's dirty deeds keep coming to the forefront of my mind.

            I think Michael Jackson and music as a whole is a different case. Music has always been something that gets interwoven into your life because it's part of the ambience of life. It can be on in the background while you do other things, it was on in the car when you were in high school and going on dates or it was on when you were at the pool with your friends etc. It's not like movies and TV where you have to sit down and pay attention to it in order to be able to follow what's going on. So I think musicians get off a lot easier for the most part.

            Comment


              #7
              Woody Allen

              Roman Polanski

              I don't know much about Polanski, but Woody Allen is a fucking creep. Even worse than Michael Jackson, IMHO.
              Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

              Comment


                #8

                Comment


                  #9
                  Just different now for OJ, can't explain. Like you grew up, not really idolizing him, but admiring him. Then all this crap comes out after the trial. Kind of deflating.

                  Richards being a dumbass. No excusing what he did, just a dumbass.

                  The Cos...man, how do you handle that? I can't answer this one.

                  MJ. Still like his older music.

                  Woody Allen. Never liked him.

                  Polanski. Fugitive. Always think of Sharon Tate when I hear his name. So pretty. She didn't deserve what happened to her.

                  Comment


                    #10
                    bill cosby's "himself" still is the funniest stand up I've ever seen.

                    Comment


                      #11
                      Originally posted by Sooner Sam View Post
                      Just different now for OJ, can't explain. Like you grew up, not really idolizing him, but admiring him. Then all this crap comes out after the trial. Kind of deflating.

                      Richards being a dumbass. No excusing what he did, just a dumbass.

                      The Cos...man, how do you handle that? I can't answer this one.

                      MJ. Still like his older music.

                      Woody Allen. Never liked him.

                      Polanski. Fugitive. Always think of Sharon Tate when I hear his name. So pretty. She didn't deserve what happened to her.
                      Sharon Tate certainly did not deserve what happened to her but what does any of that have to do with Roman Polanski?

                      Comment


                        #12
                        You have Michael Richards on a list with Bill Cosby and O.J. Simpson? What in the wide wide world of sports is wrong with you?

                        Comment


                          #13
                          Sure hindsight is always 20/20 - so should we be judging today on what was acceptable at the time?

                          murder, racism, assault all were pretty welcome back in the day - so, who are we to judge now.

                          Comment


                            #14
                            Originally posted by SiggyPoke View Post
                            You have Michael Richards on a list with Bill Cosby and O.J. Simpson? What in the wide wide world of sports is wrong with you?
                            I'm not comparing the severity of their offenses. Just saying it kinda changes the way you view their work.

                            Comment


                              #15
                              Originally posted by traxx View Post

                              I'm not comparing the severity of their offenses. Just saying it kinda changes the way you view their work.
                              Nothing will change the way I view Cosmo.

                              Comment


                                #16
                                Originally posted by MJSooner View Post

                                Sharon Tate certainly did not deserve what happened to her but what does any of that have to do with Roman Polanski?
                                Polanski. Fugitive. Always think of Sharon Tate when I hear his name. So pretty. She didn't deserve what happened to her

                                Comment


                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by Sooner Sam View Post

                                  Polanski. Fugitive. Always think of Sharon Tate when I hear his name. So pretty. She didn't deserve what happened to her
                                  Sorry, carry on. I didn't realize at first you were just typing a stream of consciousness.

                                  Comment


                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by MJSooner View Post

                                    Sorry, carry on. I didn't realize at first you were just typing a stream of consciousness.
                                    10-4. I do that pretty often. Just ignore it.

                                    Comment


                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by traxx View Post

                                      I still watch Seinfeld and enjoy it. When the Seinfeld DVDs started being released, I'd buy each season as it was released. I watched all the DVD extras and I started to see that Richards was always on the edge of anger. He saw himself as an artiste so when Julia would ruin a take by laughing, he was genuinely upset and angry although he did try to hide, but not very well. He never seemed to be having the same amount of fun as the others were. So I wasn't all that surprised when he had his fall from grace. It is difficult for me to like the character of Kramer as much as I used to, though. And that was even before the whole racist rant thing. I would watch episodes and those behind the scenes things would come to mind and I would just think how the guy was a self-important douche.

                                      Although OJ is a minor part of the Naked Gun movies, when he's on-screen, his real life murdering persona overshadows any enjoyment I'm currently getting from the movie.

                                      As for the Cosby show, I loved that show. Still do. I'm glad that some channels still play it even after all that has come out about him. But I don't end up stopping and watching episodes like I used to. I just scroll past it on the guide. If I do watch it, I just can't get the same enjoyment out of it. I try to compartmentalize it and enjoy the writing and the other actors and the family environment but Cosby's dirty deeds keep coming to the forefront of my mind.

                                      I think Michael Jackson and music as a whole is a different case. Music has always been something that gets interwoven into your life because it's part of the ambience of life. It can be on in the background while you do other things, it was on in the car when you were in high school and going on dates or it was on when you were at the pool with your friends etc. It's not like movies and TV where you have to sit down and pay attention to it in order to be able to follow what's going on. So I think musicians get off a lot easier for the most part.
                                      I know that scene in the Seinfeld extras that you are referring to and I noticed it too. Comedians tend to be the most fucked-up of the creative community and I think MR is just a very intense, edgy guy. He's also old school enough to go overboard on a heckler. Comedians go through hell to develop their act and they show no mercy to hecklers. I watched a video of Bill Hicks going on a pure rage filled misogynistic rant on a female heckler that was so vicious if he were alive today it probably would have ended his career.

                                      Comment


                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by oucub23 View Post
                                        1. Creepy now
                                        2. Meh.
                                        3. Meh.
                                        Same. A comedian saying something stupid isn't that bad to me. I can never look at Cosby the same.

                                        Comment


                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by keef View Post
                                          bill cosby's "himself" still is the funniest stand up I've ever seen.
                                          That's another reason why the Cosby thing bothered me so much. Most people think of him as the guy from The Cosby Show or the Jello pudding pop guy. So many people have no idea what a groundbreaking performer he was as a stand-up comic. His timing and inflection were second to none. "Noah's Ark" is as funny today as it was in the 60's. Such a gifted man. So sad.

                                          Comment


                                            #22
                                            People shouldnt have liked Woody Allen to begin with.

                                            Comment


                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
                                              Woody Allen

                                              Roman Polanski

                                              I don't know much about Polanski, but Woody Allen is a fucking creep. Even worse than Michael Jackson, IMHO.
                                              Well he drugged and raped a 14 year ol;d girl. BTW that happened at Jack Nicholson's house. Odd how Jack seems to have skated on all of that.

                                              Comment


                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by RockFlagandEagle View Post
                                                People shouldnt have liked Woody Allen to begin with.
                                                I like some of his stuff. I appreciate Jewish humor in general. A lot of his later stuff was a little artsy for my taste. Crimes and Misdemeanors is an excellent murder film.

                                                Comment


                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by RockFlagandEagle View Post
                                                  People shouldnt have liked Woody Allen to begin with.
                                                  Reminds me of Eshbach.

                                                  Comment


                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by KCRuf/Nek View Post

                                                    Well he drugged and raped a 14 year ol;d girl. BTW that happened at Jack Nicholson's house. Odd how Jack seems to have skated on all of that.
                                                    Jack will be the next one to go down.



                                                    Comment


                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by RockFlagandEagle View Post
                                                      People shouldnt have liked Woody Allen to begin with.
                                                      too bad he got started making his own movies. they're great.

                                                      Comment


                                                        #28
                                                        Fearless Vampire Killers was one of the first vampire movies I can remember watching when I was a kid. And Rosemary’s Baby was just perfect in tone, and setting. But I can’t watch them anymore.

                                                        I was was never a Woody Allen fan.

                                                        The whole Cosby thing just sucks.

                                                        Comment


                                                          #29
                                                          I used to listen to my friend's older brother's George Carlin and Bill Cosby albums. Cosby was one funny dude.

                                                          And let's not forget Robert Blake. He's a piece of shit too.

                                                          Comment


                                                            #30
                                                            Kramer was a good ole, run of the mill racist. Kind of hard to compare him to a rapist and a murderer

                                                            Comment


                                                              #31
                                                              Bruce Jenner

                                                              Comment


                                                                #32
                                                                It honestly changes nothing for me.

                                                                Comment


                                                                  #33
                                                                  I became more impressed with Rock Hudson's acting ability after I learned he was homo.

                                                                  Comment


                                                                    #34
                                                                    Paul Reubens / Pee Wee Herman
                                                                    Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

                                                                    Comment


                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
                                                                      Paul Reubens / Pee Wee Herman
                                                                      That guy's a sick fuck. Jerking off in the porno theatre didn't really bother me but he got busted a few years ago for kiddie porn.

                                                                      Comment


                                                                        #36
                                                                        Also, the principal from Ferris Bueller is apparently a pedophile. Take my childhood please.

                                                                        Comment


                                                                          #37
                                                                          The thing with Paul Reubens is, he was viewed as a children's entertainer because his show was on Saturday mornings. That was a network decision based on a mistaken assumption his humor was meant for children which it most definitely was not and if you watch the old Pee Wee Herman shows, you will understand this.

                                                                          Paul Reubens was never meant to be that, his persona was all part of his schtick.

                                                                          The perception that he was marketing his act towards children, when it was really a network thing makes his transgressions seem worse than if it were another celebrity.

                                                                          Comment


                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by Loose Shoes View Post
                                                                            he got busted a few years ago for kiddie porn.

                                                                            he was innocent of any real charges. you can read the wiki page on this if you want the truth.

                                                                            Comment


                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by blackfrancois View Post


                                                                              he was innocent of any real charges. you can read the wiki page on this if you want the truth.
                                                                              Reubens said that what the city attorney's office viewed as pornography, he considered to be innocent art and that what they described as people underage engaged in masturbation or oral copulation was, in fact, a judgmental point of view of the nudes that Reubens described as people "one hundred percent not" performing sexual acts.[27]

                                                                              Uhh.

                                                                              Comment


                                                                                #40
                                                                                i suggest interested folks read the whole thing and judge for themselves.

                                                                                real pedos that are convicted of felony charges do not continue their careers.

                                                                                Comment


                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by blackfrancois View Post


                                                                                  he was innocent of any real charges. you can read the wiki page on this if you want the truth.
                                                                                  So we are all on the same page, and we can all agree, Wikipedia should never be our go to when we “want the truth”.

                                                                                  good talk.

                                                                                  Comment


                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    wiki is a very good starting point, just like an old encyclopedia found in a library. if you were to write a paper on the subject, you certainly need additional references. a good starting point for those are the references cited in the wiki entry.

                                                                                    Comment


                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by blackfrancois View Post
                                                                                      i suggest interested folks read the whole thing and judge for themselves.

                                                                                      real pedos that are convicted of felony charges do not continue their careers.
                                                                                      Polanski did. Lots of real pedos aren't convicted of felony charges. Woody Allen wasn't. Neither was Michael Jackson.

                                                                                      Comment


                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by blackfrancois View Post
                                                                                        wiki is a very good starting point, just like an old encyclopedia found in a library. if you were to write a paper on the subject, you certainly need additional references. a good starting point for those are the references cited in the wiki entry.
                                                                                        And if you were to write a paper on it, and listed wiki as a “source”, you’d fail.

                                                                                        Comment


                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by oucub23 View Post
                                                                                          Lots of real pedos aren't convicted of felony charges.
                                                                                          neither polanski's girl nor her mother (who basically was responsible for the date) wanted to press charges. nor did the judge in the case until he saw a photo of polanski having dinner in europe. there was a doc on this if you're interested to know more.

                                                                                          the girl in the woody case did not convince the interviewer, which is the reason charges were dropped. and woody's son also said his mom (mia farrow) and the girl were full of it. the accusation was "touching," nothing more.

                                                                                          Comment


                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by LongarLongar View Post

                                                                                            And if you were to write a paper on it, and listed wiki as a “source”, you’d fail.
                                                                                            it depends on the audience. for a college or post-college paper, no one would cite an encyclopedia as a reference for a research paper. as i said, it's a great starting point, similar to cliffsnotes.

                                                                                            btw, your punctuation should be placed inside the end quote.

                                                                                            Comment


                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by blackfrancois View Post

                                                                                              it depends on the audience. for a college or post-college paper, no one would cite an encyclopedia as a reference for a research paper. as i said, it's a great starting point, similar to cliffsnotes.

                                                                                              btw, your punctuation should be placed inside the end quote.
                                                                                              You are correct, on the punctuation.

                                                                                              anyone who who refers to cliffsnotes as a “great starting point” automatically disqualifies themselves from any serious conversation.

                                                                                              Comment


                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by oucub23 View Post
                                                                                                Neither was Michael Jackson.
                                                                                                mj has been convicted in the court of public opinion. If still alive and trying to tour, i'm not sure he could recover after the hbo documentary and ensuing oprah interview of his victims. one was only 7 years old when it began.

                                                                                                Comment


                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by LongarLongar View Post
                                                                                                  anyone who who refers to cliffsnotes as a “great starting point” automatically disqualifies themselves from any serious conversation.
                                                                                                  completely disagree. love cliffsnotes. especially the opinion and insight offered on works of fiction, like shakespeare.

                                                                                                  Comment


                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by blackfrancois View Post

                                                                                                    completely disagree. love cliffsnotes. especially the opinion and insight offered on works of fiction, like shakespeare.
                                                                                                    I think you and Bounce would get along great. He needs another person that can’t read or form an opinion of their own. Glad someone is able to give both of you yours.

                                                                                                    Comment

                                                                                                    Unconfigured Ad Widget

                                                                                                    Collapse

                                                                                                    Go To Top

                                                                                                    Collapse

                                                                                                    Working...
                                                                                                    X
                                                                                                    UA-124223861-1