Will Lincoln Riley be on the hot seat if Brent Venables wins big first?

[SoonerKA1999]

Beat me. I’m beat. Tractor whipped me. Headed to the bed.

Have a good one, KA.

Night!

[Mazeppa]

Yea.

I think he can on the west coast.

Take Raleek Brown. Now where is he going, top RB in the nation, According to many and now where is
he going??? You know where this top recruit RB was
headed? And now?

I’m just asking….

Hint: he’s from Matre Dei(right under Riley’s nose)

He may be in a more fertile recruiting area but his " skills " are still the same. that was my point.

[Velo Sooner]

I think OU fans need to stop obsessing about Riley.

^This. LR is going to live the life of a secure and wealthy man unless he descends into the world of criminality, and I don't see that happening. He'll have his trials and tribulations as any coach does on the field, but his life will be charmed unless he screws it up. I don't see why OU fans can't accept that.

[kopp0e]

Will big parties = CFP wins..?

[AdonijahAijalon]

Will big parties = CFP wins..?

Yeah Riley is building a real juggernaut out west. Meanwhile in Norman....

[SEC]

He may be in a more fertile recruiting area but his " skills " are still the same. that was my point.

Well, I knew your “point” and agree. However, you had a different question first time around. And No, his “skills” are limited. First, is the soft and “friendly” way he coaches.

Won’t work against the SEC, May on west coast. Then….

[Balko]

Well, I knew your “point” and agree. However, you had a different question first time around. And No, his “skills” are limited. First, is the soft and “friendly” way he coaches.

Won’t work against the SEC, May on west coast. Then….

Yeah, it will take some time to teach West Coast foootballers that "two hands below the waist" doesn't = a tackle. And Curveball will need to scowl more ferociously to compete with SEC coaches.

[SEC]

Yeah, it will take some time to teach West Coast foootballers that "two hands below the waist" doesn't = a tackle. And Curveball will need to scowl more ferociously to compete with SEC coaches.

We don’t play “touch, or flag football “..

Buckle the Fk up or get that bell rang…

[Stinger_1066]

Yeah Riley is building a real juggernaut out west. Meanwhile in Norman....

Quite a contrast there. Partying at the coach's house vs taking a beatdown from Schmitty.

Seems like our guys are actually appreciative of it. That tells me there are some good leaders on this team.

I know from listening to Brayden's podcast that he actually enjoys the Schmitty workouts. Other guys on the team call him "Workout Willie".

[TheBoots]

Riley will be fine.

He will be at USC winning ten or so games a year against bad competition to eventually get his shit pushed in when they play a physical team. You know. Teams that play football and such.

He will then go to the NFL. He will fail there. 3 years max.

Then, Texas Tech will swoon over having their hero return. He'll be in Lubbock 2032 - sign a 10 year contract - ans win 8 games aseason forever.

[really]

Riley will be fine.

He will be at USC winning ten or so games a year against bad competition to eventually get his shit pushed in when they play a physical team. You know. Teams that play football and such.

He will then go to the NFL. He will fail there. 3 years max.

Then, Texas Tech will swoon over having their hero return. He'll be in Lubbock 2032 - sign a 10 year contract - ans win 8 games aseason forever.

I'm not so sure about all that...USC will in time get their share of top notch defensive players, USC will be able to put very physical teams out there, or should with ease

[TheBoots]

I'm not so sure about all that...USC will in time get their share of top notch defensive players, USC will be able to put very physical teams out there, or should with ease

Without a doubt. That is why it was a smart move to go there. You can shoot a 10 point from your porch.

But, Riley does not coach physical. I assure you he doesn't let practice against his guys get physical. I do understand that but it impacts your play. Grinch preaches physicality to his defense. I have seen it. But if you are practicing it, it is difficult to turn it on at game time.

We have plenty of film on that.

[Bitchfighter]

Let's not pretend the Miami and USC model of program building doesn't work. Accumulate as much talent as possible, character and discipline issues be damned. Eventually lose control of the program. Resign in shame, or if you're savvy enough like Pete Carroll, right before. Riley will have one of these two outcomes.

[49cent]

Let's not pretend the Miami and USC model of program building doesn't work. Accumulate as much talent as possible, character and discipline issues be damned. Eventually lose control of the program. Resign in shame, or if you're savvy enough like Pete Carroll, right before. Riley will have one of these two outcomes.

Exactly. The worst run of criminal activity/arrests, bad headlines for Urban Meyer and Mack Brown also included NC runs.

[IKE93]

Riley will be fine.

He will be at USC winning ten or so games a year against bad competition to eventually get his shit pushed in when they play a physical team. You know. Teams that play football and such.

He will then go to the NFL. He will fail there. 3 years max.

Then, Texas Tech will swoon over having their hero return. He'll be in Lubbock 2032 - sign a 10 year contract - ans win 8 games aseason forever.

This would make a great Chappelle skit
BOOMER!

[Bitchfighter]

Exactly. The worst run of criminal activity/arrests, bad headlines for Urban Meyer and Mack Brown also included NC runs.

I'm glad you brought up Urban Meyer, because that's exactly who Riley reminds me of. He could practically be his illegitimate son. A real SubUrban Meyer, if you will.

But here are the parallels: both made their bones rising through obscure programs with their offensive acumen. both build their rosters by taking on questionable character guys. Hell, you could even say their best teams were held together through the leadership qualities of legendary qb's (tebow and mayfied). both have a habit of jumping programs, and make laughably bad attempts at justifying it. both are Grade-A, all-world scumbags. The big difference is Meyer has actually won something.

[Mazeppa]

Exactly. The worst run of criminal activity/arrests, bad headlines for Urban Meyer and Mack Brown also included NC runs.

31 Players were arrested during Urban Meyer's tenure at Florida.... of the 2008 team, 41 were arrested before or after their stint at Florida.


Breaking down the arrests.

Pot	4	1	Three received suspensions, other was not with team at time of arrest
Underage Drinking	3	1	Punishment "handled internally," no apparent suspension(1 may have been, but was injured at that time)
DUI	2	2	Both Suspended a game, one lost scholarship for a term
Theft/Bulgarly/Stealing	6	1	Two dismissed, two suspended for year(both left team)
Stalking	1	0	Kicked off then reinstated once charges were dropped for meeting conditions of deferred prosecution
Fight/Altercation(Misdemeanor)	7	1	Two dismissed, one suspended indefinitely who later left team
Domestic violence	2	1	One dismissed, one suspended indefinitely who later left team
Restraining order violation	1	0	No apparent punishment
Failure to move when told by officer	1	0	No apparent punishment, but player had transferred to playing baseball instead
Displaying/discharging of firearm during fight(Felony)	1	1(reduced to misdemeanor)	Suspended from school for full year
Suspended license	3	2	One was constantly being punished and eventually left the team on his own, other kicked off later for unprosecuted marijuana incident, one was suspended for offseason.
Total	31	10	25 players

Some cases had multiple charges, I tried to use the more serious charge/common sense to classify it. For instance, Hornsby was cited for property damage, but it was from a fight, so that was classified as a fight. Punishments less than a suspension I didn't list(for instance losing captain status), mostly because the majority of those are internally done so would have been hard to get a complete list of.

My personal favorite was a fight related arrest. It was for throwing paper cups at a Jimmy John's cashier. (not my comments)



https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comment..._urban_meyers/

[Mazeppa]

Pete Carroll, USC and Scandal (2nd Update)

Here is my further updated collection of all of the available information regarding the scandal, criminality, investigations, embarrassing incidents and other assorted black eyes that have plagued USC since Pete Carroll's tenure began five years ago. Besides several new incidents in the intervening months, I've added an entry relating to Southern Cal's basketball team, as it appears likely that there will be trouble with Tim Floyd's program if he doesn't take steps to avoid the controversy surrounding Pete Carroll's program.

I am once again surprised that Sourthern Cal players would be implicated in so many additional incidents during such a short period of time. Keep in mind, since I first posted this in April 2006, the list of incidents has nearly doubled. One would think that, following the recent spate of problems distracting attention from their endeavors on the field, that USC officials would take swift and substantial action to avoid further problems. Unfortunately, that does not seem to have happened.

As before, I have endeavored to collect as much information as is publicly available. Unfortunately, many of the news stories about these issues are no longer available online. I've provided links where I found them, and relied upon second hand sources to the extent those are reliable.

I also continue to try to be as objective as reasonably possible. The facts speak for themselves. I see no need to embellish. If anyone has any information that would help make this entry more accurate and complete, please let me know, and I will edit this accordingly. I should mention that when I posted this the first time around, a few people mentioned a few things they disagreed with, but didn't provide any supporting evidence. Please provide that, and I'll be happy to include it.

I should also say that, since I first posted on this subject, I've given these issues a fair amount of thought, and have shared my view that everyone doesn't really do it, and talked about those rationalizing mischief at USC. Sure, some apologists will continue to try to explain away the behavior detailed below by claiming that it "happens everywhere." That's fine. And, if you can show me a similar list for every other Division I football program out there for the same five year period, I'll consider revisiting my opinion.

• Pete Carroll was hired by USC in 2001.
• On August 23, 2001, the NCAA placed USC's athletic department on probation for two years and cut scholarships because tutors wrote papers for three athletes in the late 1990s. The events leading to the probation were before Carroll's time, but I include this for completeness sake.
• In 2002, the father of USC tailback Justin Fargas invited former USC Heisman Trophy winner, and alleged double-murderer, O. J. Simpson to a team practice (he was found not guilty in his criminal trial but was later found liable in a civil trial). After the practice, Carroll allowed Simpson to come onto the field and meet the players and pose for pictures. Carroll defends himself from criticism by claiming that Simpson wasn't invited.
• On July 19, 2003, USC Sophomore OT Winston Justice pleaded no contest to solicitation of a prostitute in Long Beach on June 24. Winston was put on 3 years probation and fined $300 for the offense.
• On March 3, 2004, Winston Justice was arrested on su****ion of felony assault with a deadly weapon. On June 15, 2004, Justice pleaded no contest to exhibition of a replica firearm. Justice was sentenced to 60 days of electronic monitoring and three years' probation. Justice was also suspended for two semesters by USC's student affairs committee after his arrest.
• In August 2004, USC starting tailback Hershel Dennis was at the center of a police investigation of an alleged sexual assault. According to sources, the incident took place at a party on August 16, and involved a female friend of Dennis. On August 17, Dennis was removed from practice and suspended by Carroll for "disciplinary reasons," including breaking curfew. On December 13, 2004, the LAPD announced it would not press charges.
• In late March 2005, USC starting cornerback Eric Wright was arrested for investigation of sexual assault. Wright was booked on rape charges and bail was set at $100,000 according to the Sheriff's Department. Wright was held out of spring practice, and, in April 2005, the district attorney declined to press charged because of insufficient evidence. Nevertheless, on June 2, 2005, Wright left USC amid possible disciplinary action. On August 25, Wright was suspended by three semesters by USC's student affairs committee, based upon the district attorney's office having found 136 pills of the drug Ecstasy in Wright's room at an apartment he shared with another player.
• In early April 2005, USC tight end Dominique Bird fractured his jaw during an alleged altercation with receiver Steve Smith. Bird, Smith and Carroll reportedly refused to comment on the incident, and no disciplinary action was taken.
• In August 2005, USC defensive end Frostee Rucker allegedly got into a fight with his girlfriend at a party he was hosting in Los Angeles. In June 2006, Rucker was charged with two misdemeanor counts of spousal battery and two counts of vandalism and was scheduled to be arraigned on August 11, 2006. Despite the incident, Rucker did not face any discipline from USC, and didn't miss a game. Prior to transferring to USC, in April of 2002, Rucker was charged in Colorado with sexual assault and indecent exposure. Rucker reportedly eventually accepted a one-year deferred sentence on a misdemeanor harassment charge. Developing.
• On August 13, 2005, 10 veteran USC players were involved in a hazing incident where they shaved the head of freshman quarterback Mark Sanchez. Also, what started out as a water fight between USC players, escalated into an all-out brawl as it spiraled out of control. Reportedly, there was significant damage to the players dorms as players were thrown through walls.
• On October 31, 2005, USC tailback LenDale White plays a macabre prank by pretending to quit the team and throwing a dummy off a building on Child's Way. Separately, Pete Carroll apologized to Washington State coach Bill Doba for USC players pushing and bumping Doba while trying to get to the locker room during halftime of their game.
• On November 2, 2005, USC linebacker Rey Maualuga was arrested for investigation of misdemeanor battery after punching a man at an off-campus Halloween party (twice, without provocation). A witness at the scene reportedly quoted Maualuga as stating "I own the police." Carroll took no disciplinary action, and Maualuga played the following weekend against Stanford. One USC pundit observed at the time that "discipline is Coach Carroll's number one weakness." On November 22, 2005, the city attorney's office declined to file charges. Maualuga was defended at the court hearing by controversial and well-connected USC alumni attorney Carmen "Nooch" Trutanich, who has a long history with USC and previously represented both Wright and Dennis.
• On December 21, 2005, USC starting quarterback Matt Leinart had his eligibility temporarily revoked after appearing in a promotional segment on ESPN earlier that month, a violation of an NCAA rule. Leinart was reinstated shortly thereafter. One observer claims the NCAA was just concerned about money.
• On January 1, 2006, reporters from the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and CBS Sportline reportedly told the USC football team about potential recruiting violations stemming from visits by USC recruits to Papadakis Taverna, a Greek restaurant owned by former USC linebacker John Papadakis.
• On January 21, 2006, USC quarterback Matt Leinart was cited by the Pac-10 for working out with his own coach using school facilities. According to the NCAA, a student athlete cannot utilize the school's facilities to work out with a coach, unless the coach is affiliated with the university.
• On April 21, 2006, the family of USC running back Reggie Bush was implicated by numerous separate media reports as having lived in a house purchased by a San Diego-area man with ties to a sports agent and a tribal casino. Both the Pac-10 and the NCAA have launched an investigation into potential NCAA violations in connnection with this matter, which is pending. More recent reports in this fast evolving story are here, here, and here. Yahoo Sports, which is responsible for much of the investigative reporting on this issue, has set up a page dedicated to its eight-month probe here.
• On April 26, 2006, USC quarterback Mark Sanchez was arrested for investigation of sexually assaulting a female student earlier that same day. Sanchez was released upon posting $200,000 bail, and has been ordered to appear in court on May 17, 2006. Sanchez was also placed on "interim suspension" by USC while the case is pending. On June 2, 2006, the LA District Attorney announced that it would not be bring charges against Sanchez due to insufficient evidence.
• On April 30, 2006, it was reported that USC compliance officials were investigating whether an NCAA rule was violated because receiver Dwayne Jarrett failed to pay approximately $10,000 for his half of the rent for an upscale apartment he shared with former quarterback Matt Leinart. USC claims that no rules were violated, though it has been reported that Jarret may have to sit out a portion of next season. Developing.
• In August of 2006, USC defensive back Keep your politics off the board Ting quit the football team after testing postive for steroid use. His twin brother, Ryan, also a defensive back on the USC football team, quit the team just days later, claiming that he wanted to concentrate on preparing for medical school, and was never tested. Interestingly, Arthur Ting, father of the twins, is a Bay Area orthopedic surgeon who has reportedly appeared as a witness before a grand jury considering possible perjury charges against baseball's Barry Bonds, one of Arthur's clients. This incident finally triggered some real interest by the LA Times.
• On December 4, 2006, former USC stand-out, and current Rams rookie, tight end Dominique Byrd was arrested for allegedly hitting a bar patron in the face with a drinking glass. Byrd was charged with second- and third-degree assault and armed criminal action. He was released shortly after posting a $25,000 bond. Developing.
• In January 2007, a federal investigation into extortion claims by former USC running back Reggie Bush and his family revealed the existence of taped converstations that could confirm Bush took cash and gifts while he was playing football for USC. It was also reported that nearly $280,000 in cash, rent and gifts were allegedly given to Bush and his family. The information came to light following the issuance of grand jury subpoenas to multiple witness by the U.S. District Attorney's office in San Diego. Both the NCAA and Pac-10 continue to investigate. Also, more recent articles suggest that Reggie Bush was involved earlier and more deeply than previously reported in efforts to create the sports marketing agency at the center of the continuing controversy. The investigation has, to date, yielded no definitive proof that USC officials had knowledge of Bush's misconduct, though Bush was nevertheless asked not to attend the Trojans' Rose Bowl matchup against Michigan on New Year's Day. Developing.
• On February 2, 2007, it was reported that a "stampede of student athletes," including three USC linemen, ex-USC receiver Keary Colbert, and members of the USC women's basketball, volleyball and water polo teams, had improperly attempted to take an academic shortcut around the university's foreign language requirement by signing up for a course at Los Angeles Trade Tech College taught by USC graduate Senora Ross, who promised to give the athletes no lower than a "B." Upon discovering the situation, USC officials disallowed the transfer of credits from Trade Tech.
• On February 8, 2007, it was reported that USC football players had created and joined a racist Facebook group as a "joke." The racist Facebook group was called "White Nation," showed a graphic of a swastika and black baby in handcuffs with the caption "arrest black babies before they become criminals." The group was created by USC linebacker Clay Matthews and was joined by teammates David Buehler, Brian Cushing, Dan Deckas and Dallas Sartz. Coach Pete Carroll responded to reports of the incident by saying he had no plans to discipline the players, and USC later announced that none of the players would be punished. According to Carroll, "[i]t's not a controversy, it's a mistake."
• On February 9, 2007, USC compliance officials announced they were investigating whether an NCAA violation occurred during the Trojans' pursuit of Louisiana prep star running back Joe McKnight. The investigation followed reports that McKnight had told reporters that USC coach Pete Carroll had set up a conference call so he and high school coach J.T. Curtis could be assured by ex-Trojan running back Reggie Bush that USC would not be punished for a separate NCAA investigation into improper benefits allegedly taken by Bush. Carroll later denied that any call took place, and Curtis said that McKnight misspoke. According to NCAA officials, if USC got Bush's help in recruiting McKnight, it would be considered a "secondary violation" of recruiting rules.
• On March 9, 2007, USC basketball recruit O.J. Mayo was arrested for misdemeanor marijuana possession in Huntington, West Virginia. Mayo was one of four young males found in a su****ious vehicle by a Cabell County Sheriff's drug task force unit assigned to serve a search warrant at a house nearby. The charges against Mayo were later dismissed by a magistrate judge, after the driver of the vehicle pleaded guilty to the charge. The incident followed a controversy in January following Mayo's two game suspension after receiving two technical fouls in a high school game and coming into contact with an official, as well as prior reports of two prior altercations and a suspension following an incident with a female student.

There are additional allegations swirling around out there, including some of these, but I have not included anything I could not verify in at least two places. I've also left out "on the field" misconduct, including various stories about blatant personal fouls and possible cheating. Again, please provide any (verifiable) information or links you may have in the comments section.




https://www.bruinsnation.com/2006/6/26/113925/426

[OU48A]

It looks like some of the things Riley did to promote outside causes didn't go over well with many of OU's donor's causing them to not trust Riley and withhold needed support for new facilities.

Lincoln Riley’s reasons for leaving Oklahoma are becoming clearer (usatoday.com)

Oklahoma analyst says OU boosters and big donors didn't fully trust Lincoln Riley

[Hermit]

It looks like some of the things Riley did to promote outside causes didn't go over well with many of OU's donor's causing them to not trust Riley and withhold needed support for new facilities.

Lincoln Riley’s reasons for leaving Oklahoma are becoming clearer (usatoday.com)

Oklahoma analyst says OU boosters and big donors didn't fully trust Lincoln Riley

Who the hell is Jacob Brumbaugh ?

Who is Two Plane Sports ?

These days, just about anybody can present themselves as an " analyst " or some kind of insider. Its real easy to upload video to YT .

That said, I've wondered if JoeC made no effort to match USC's salary offer. Considering how fast he hired Venables, that tells me he knew exactly where he wanted to go. JoeC had even been to Clemson last August , tweeted a pic of him and Venables. So, maybe what Brumbaugh is saying , has some credibility.

[TheBoots]

It looks like some of the things Riley did to promote outside causes didn't go over well with many of OU's donor's causing them to not trust Riley and withhold needed support for new facilities.

Lincoln Riley’s reasons for leaving Oklahoma are becoming clearer (usatoday.com)

Oklahoma analyst says OU boosters and big donors didn't fully trust Lincoln Riley

It is generally a good idea to listen to the man who has the money

[Hermit]

It is generally a good idea to listen to the man who has the money

Its also a good idea to be a bit cynical and skeptical of something that comes out of a little know YT vid.

You just accepted it as fact, and ran with it.

[TheBoots]

Its also a good idea to be a bit cynical and skeptical of something that comes out of a little know YT vid.

You just accepted it as fact, and ran with it.

Take a deep breath, Francis. I made a rhetorical statement. I didn't endorse it in the blood of my firstborn child.

It's just the internet and a chat board. Speculation and rampant rumors are what we do.

The source was Brumbaugh, but the information was published by USA Today Sports. They generally confirm things before publishing them. Once they publish them, they won them.

THAT is your attribution, not Brumbaugh.

That said, I am now more interested in why you suddenly feel the need to defend the honor of TBOW?

[Hermit]

Take a deep breath, Francis. I made a rhetorical statement. I didn't endorse it in the blood of my firstborn child.

It's just the internet and a chat board. Speculation and rampant rumors are what we do.

The source was Brumbaugh, but the information was published by USA Today Sports. They generally confirm things before publishing them. Once they publish them, they won them.

THAT is your attribution, not Brumbaugh.

That said, I am now more interested in why you suddenly feel the need to defend the honor of TBOW?

Not defending Riley, just looking for truth.

JoeC said we had a lot of improvements that would have to be made to prepare for the SEC. No matter who the coach, OU was gonna have to step up their game. My opinion, for what its worth, Riley was not the coach to take us to the SEC. But my opinion means nothing.

[Mazeppa]

Not defending Riley, just looking for truth.

JoeC said we had a lot of improvements that would have to be made to prepare for the SEC. No matter who the coach, OU was gonna have to step up their game. My opinion, for what its worth, Riley was not the coach to take us to the SEC. But my opinion means nothing.

Riley apparently agreed with you on not being that coach.

[OU48A]

It is generally a good idea to listen to the man who has the money

Yes it is...There have been rumors going back for well over a year that Riley had alienated some of the major donors with his position on certain issues.
Rich people tend to remember the people who have angered them for a very long time. The fact that the backing for major new facilities is now flowing in or pledged seems pretty telling about how some donors now feel and felt about Riley.

[johnintx]

That said, I've wondered if JoeC made no effort to match USC's salary offer. Considering how fast he hired Venables, that tells me he knew exactly where he wanted to go. JoeC had even been to Clemson last August , tweeted a pic of him and Venables. So, maybe what Brumbaugh is saying , has some credibility.

I think there is truth to this. I think Joe C. knew Lincoln didn't plan to make the SEC move. Both were considering options.

[Hermit]

Yes it is...There have been rumors going back for well over a year that Riley had alienated some of the major donors with his position on certain issues.
Rich people tend to remember the people who have angered them for a very long time. The fact that the backing for major new facilities is now flowing in or pledged seems pretty telling about how some donors now feel and felt about Riley.

Well great, but rich people may or may not know diddly shit about football. And I would put my money on them not knowing diddly shit but thinking they do.

These people have destroyed more CFB programs than they've built. I appreciate their money, but they need to stay the F out of managing the program.

And the money coming in now is almost entirely due to moving to the SEC. Would've been coming in no matter who JoeC hired or whether Riley had stayed. And I would guess they're spending future SEC money also.

[OU48A]

Well great, but rich people may or may not know diddly shit about football. And I would put my money on them not knowing diddly shit but thinking they do.

These people have destroyed more CFB programs than they've built. I appreciate their money, but they need to stay the F out of managing the program.

And the money coming in now is almost entirely due to moving to the SEC. Would've been coming in no matter who JoeC hired or whether Riley had stayed. And I would guess they're spending future SEC money also.

Moving to the SEC will help the money situation a lot but I'm pretty sure that you are understating how pissed off some of the donors became. This isn't the first talk about this. It's been mentioned by radio show host, posters and plenty of people in Norman.
Joe C IMHO does a great job of not allowing donors to make personnel decisions and minimizing the down side of donor influence.
My guess is that Joe C could see that a coaching change might be needed due to the differences of opinions behind the scenes among key people and that he was doing his due diligence when he took the trip to Clemson last summer.

[Hermit]

Moving to the SEC will help the money situation a lot but I'm pretty sure that you are understating how pissed off some of the donors became. This isn't the first talk about this. It's been mentioned by radio show host, posters and plenty of people in Norman.
Joe C IMHO does a great job of not allowing donors to make personnel decisions and minimizing the down side of donor influence.
My guess is that Joe C could see that a coaching change might be needed due to the differences of opinions behind the scenes among key people and that he was doing his due diligence when he took the trip to Clemson last summer.

I'm old school. I was around in Switzer's final days. So when Riley had two players arrested with guns over some type of drug deal. I wondered how long he would be here. In the 90's and 00's , that was just something that could not happen here in any way or form, after getting Charles Thompson in a jail jump suit, handcuffed, on the cover of SI.

But hell, those old days were 30 years ago. Its well into OU's past. And things have changed greatly in society. So maybe that was not as big deal to most, as it was to me.

But I could also see some wealthy donor who recalls those days, and not be real thrilled with Riley. Winning be damned.

[Hermit]

Is there a difference in program support between Lincoln Riley and Brent Venables?



https://soonerswire.usatoday.com/202...rent-venables/

[LT-OU]

What reporter was it that was tweeting stuff out in Oct about how there were things behind the scenes at OU and after the season things may look very different?

[TheBoots]

I'm old school. I was around in Switzer's final days. So when Riley had two players arrested with guns over some type of drug deal. I wondered how long he would be here. In the 90's and 00's , that was just something that could not happen here in any way or form, after getting Charles Thompson in a jail jump suit, handcuffed, on the cover of SI.

But hell, those old days were 30 years ago. Its well into OU's past. And things have changed greatly in society. So maybe that was not as big deal to most, as it was to me.

But I could also see some wealthy donor who recalls those days, and not be real thrilled with Riley. Winning be damned.

YEa, don't quote me on this, but I think Bob had some type of clauses in his contract to basically not continue the Switzer legacy stuff

[Mazeppa]

Is there a difference in program support between Lincoln Riley and Brent Venables?



https://soonerswire.usatoday.com/202...rent-venables/

I would say that support for the program would be first and foremost then the players and then the coaches, in that order.

[johnintx]

What reporter was it that was tweeting stuff out in Oct about how there were things behind the scenes at OU and after the season things may look very different?

If I remember correctly, it was Tom Luginbill from ESPN. None of the local guys could even hint of it.

He ended up being right.

[johnintx]

I'm old school. I was around in Switzer's final days. So when Riley had two players arrested with guns over some type of drug deal. I wondered how long he would be here. In the 90's and 00's , that was just something that could not happen here in any way or form, after getting Charles Thompson in a jail jump suit, handcuffed, on the cover of SI.

But hell, those old days were 30 years ago. Its well into OU's past. And things have changed greatly in society. So maybe that was not as big deal to most, as it was to me.

But I could also see some wealthy donor who recalls those days, and not be real thrilled with Riley. Winning be damned.

Most of our BMDs remember those days well. They want to win big, but they don't want the quarterback in a jumpsuit doing a perp walk.

Those days are indeed well into OU's past. However, for those of a certain age, OU is still viewed as an outlaw program. Both the administration and BMDs are sensitive to this and work to avoid returning to the ethos of that era.

[LT-OU]

If I remember correctly, it was Tom Luginbill from ESPN. None of the local guys could even hint of it.

He ended up being right.

I think you’re right. That post in hindsight makes me believe something was up for a while. I know Slytherin has hinted at some things going on prior to Riley’s exit, but my guess is something was initiated by OU Admin months before he hit eject. Especially in light of that post and three players getting arrested for drug and weapons charges in a year they were supposed to be the team to beat.

[kopp0e]

Hmm… Good question, but I think Venables gets a cover too..?

[Clyde Sparks]

Just because someone, somewhere typed "Hot Seat" in conjunction with that fudge-packer's name, he's now getting a chubby.

[Jive Turkey11]

Hmm… Good question, but I think Venables gets a cover too..?

as a video game nerd I haven't purchased a physical copy of a game in years so I don't give a shit who's on the cover

[TheBorenSupremacy]

Hmm… Good question, but I think Venables gets a cover too..?

I'd buy whichever one gets the game into my PS4 faster, not that they would actually put Riley or Fisher on the box.

Back in my day we'd just print out a fan made cover with a player we liked on it if we didn't like the guy on the cover.

[AdonijahAijalon]

If I remember correctly, it was Tom Luginbill from ESPN. None of the local guys could even hint of it.

He ended up being right.

Look at the first comment. That guy is Nostradamus.

[1soonerinoregon]

Don't know. No one seemed to have a problem with it here until last season when he gave zero fucks and just wanted to leave.

Not true. It became apparent a couple of seasons ago, that Riley was not as good of a game coach and developer as the head man at Iowa State and K State. You could watch the games and see that those teams were much better prepared to actually execute a game plan. Riley had superior athletes and that was his only advantage.

Fans, hoped beyond hope and bought into the narrative that Riley just needed to get the defense better and he could get over the top. But, that was simply optimistic thinking by fans. Many of us had become disillusioned with Riley before last season. Now, we weren't screaming for his head yet, but that was a function of him doing just enough to tease and create the "maybe next year" thinking that is part of Texas lore.

Here is the reality: The Big 12 had only OU as a blue blood, program with a pulse, as Texas was a dumpster fire the last 10 years or so. That means OU's competition was Iowa State, K State, Baylor, T Tech, W Virginia, Okie State, Kansas, UT, TCU.

Cmon, any OU coach that can't dominate that group isn't worth his salt. Even then, Riley was losing at least one game, and sometimes 2 to this group of teams. He should have run the table at least one time during his tenure. I am not at all impressed with beating up on that Big 12 group, with Texas being way, way down.

Riley was starting to show what his ceiling was. Some of us were becoming disillusioned and questioning whether he could take us any higher.

[Balko]

Look at the first comment. That guy is Nostradamus.

Look at the date: Nov 16. And Curveball wants us to believe he had nothing up his sleeve until a month later. Also, I bet Brian Kelly was already working on his Cajun accent.

[MichSooner]

If BV somehow pulled off a miracle and won a CFP semifinal, TBOW might not be on the hot seat at USC but he and them would look mighty stupid.

[soonerBAS]

he will need to show some control over usc's program or otherwise he's one armed robbery of a drug dealer by a player away from being on the hot seat.

[Red Clay]

^This. LR is going to live the life of a secure and wealthy man unless he descends into the world of criminality, and I don't see that happening. He'll have his trials and tribulations as any coach does on the field, but his life will be charmed unless he screws it up. I don't see why OU fans can't accept that.

This pretty much sums it up. It is what it is.
His contract is worth $110 milly. He probably has a good money manager to grow the net, even after the hideous CA taxes, so he's bullet-proof that income level. Plus a house on the CA coast. And "coast" is literally all he has to do from now on ...