Realignment thread

[RealignmentFan]

No. I've covered this point with him enough. He thinks we all stay in the NCAA, that the P5 remains, and that the G5 are included in any new division. Sorry Charlie, but he's not getting a pass on this one!

I can’t speak to that.

But taking only what’s in the tweet and the schools mentioned, those schools are virtue signaling.

Imagine the NW president going to Pat Ryan asking him for millions to cover debt obligations, and letting him know his previous donations will be enjoyed by club sports

[XLance]

Will the Ivy League be an option?

If athletes are ruled employees, it’s likely the Ivy are most out of compliance, with technically less compensation for the athlete’s work.

Regardless, the Ivy League won’t add members, even if st the club sport level

IIRC in a video tour of Northwestern's new football center (financed with BTN income), the NW President made a comment that they (Northwestern) had almost decided to drop out of the B1G if the BTN money hadn't become available and probably would have attempted to petition the Ivy for membership.
I guess we'll never know if they would have taken them in, I suppose that would also hold true for Duke and Vanderbilt, too.

[NJTerp]

You sound like an old ACC fan, not a fan of a league run largely by the appetites of Ohio St, and not like an ally of the new SEC. They are both money whores of the worst sort.

D1A/FBS football is not going to remain the same. There are now 2 possible paths. One is the path of creating a semi-pro league that feeds off fans who for a century and more have supported teams with those names and colors because they have represented their school, state, city, region, religion, etc. The other path is to create a totally new division within the NCAA starting with the P5, and allowing its member institutions to rule themselves with very little, if any, ability of the rest of the NCAA to vote them down.

The second possibility is the better for all, and for sports in general. Those who want a small semi-pro league will fight them tooth and nail, by hook and crook, to get what they want.

Actually, I don’t necessarily believe that a designation of “money whore of the worst sort” belongs only to the richest. The ACC, more than anyone, fits that description. Regardless of who is right about who is greedier, I am not a fan of any of it.

I am cynical enough to believe that either of your two scenarios are more than reasonably possible. I am holding out hope there is a better third path that will emerge.

[Julius]

ACC’s Phillips sees 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame being in same division. Schools will spend and invest differently like always buy it looks like ACC is not for splitting G5 from P5 anytime soon. Ohio St’s Athletic Director seems to be of the same mind.

The Athletic

“What are you doing with the sport of football?” Phillips continued. “Does it need to be managed separately? Do you need to have a governance structure? Those are questions we should be asking ourselves. And when I say the sport of football, I’m really talking about the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame. Those are the conferences that have said we are committed to this type of resourcing. Some do it less, but a minimum of 85 scholarships and then everybody else decides how much more they want to do, whether it’s in their stadium or resources or salaries are those kinds of commitment.



"And that’s what I want to do and I think we’re going to do collaboratively. We want to do it collaboratively with the other conference commissioners to just kind of explore what should we do. And we’ve had some of those conversations already. But we need to have more of those conversations as we look at the next six, eight, 10, 12 months about the sport of football.”



Phillips also said that changes to the ACC’s football scheduling model will be voted on in the near future, with the 3-5-5 model — in which teams have three permanent annual league opponents and a rotating cast of five every year — being the arrangement the league will vote on.

[RealignmentFan]

IIRC in a video tour of Northwestern's new football center (financed with BTN income), the NW President made a comment that they (Northwestern) had almost decided to drop out of the B1G if the BTN money hadn't become available and probably would have attempted to petition the Ivy for membership.
I guess we'll never know if they would have taken them in, I suppose that would also hold true for Duke and Vanderbilt, too.

You’re going to have to provide that video. It’s been a long time since there was any notion of dropping out.

It was privately funded. The names on the buildings and rooms is a big clue. And you don’t build a quarter billion dollar facility iff there’s any thoughts on dropping out. They aren’t renovating Ryan Field so they can be 2nd rate.

The Ivy is never allowing it’s main competitors into the league.

[JRsec*]

ACC’s Phillips sees 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame being in same division. Schools will spend and invest differently like always buy it looks like ACC is not for splitting G5 from P5 anytime soon. Ohio St’s Athletic Director seems to be of the same mind.

The Athletic

“What are you doing with the sport of football?” Phillips continued. “Does it need to be managed separately? Do you need to have a governance structure? Those are questions we should be asking ourselves. And when I say the sport of football, I’m really talking about the 10 FBS conferences and Notre Dame. Those are the conferences that have said we are committed to this type of resourcing. Some do it less, but a minimum of 85 scholarships and then everybody else decides how much more they want to do, whether it’s in their stadium or resources or salaries are those kinds of commitment.



"And that’s what I want to do and I think we’re going to do collaboratively. We want to do it collaboratively with the other conference commissioners to just kind of explore what should we do. And we’ve had some of those conversations already. But we need to have more of those conversations as we look at the next six, eight, 10, 12 months about the sport of football.”



Phillips also said that changes to the ACC’s football scheduling model will be voted on in the near future, with the 3-5-5 model — in which teams have three permanent annual league opponents and a rotating cast of five every year — being the arrangement the league will vote on.

Loose translation: Warren and I want to stay under the NCAA and continue to be socialistically drained and butt raped on Basketball revenue! Meanwhile Kliavkoff spends more time with Sankey. Piss on the Big 10's love of the NCAA!

[OrangeBeachBum68]

Is it just me or does anybody else still like to go back and read Buckaineer's posts? ;)

[Deadeye]

Is it just me or does anybody else still like to go back and read Buckaineer's posts? ;)

I haven't done that yet, it might provide entertainment. He hasn't made one single post out here since last July.

[Deadeye]

Brent Zwerneman
@BrentZwerneman
Houston Chronicle exclusive: Texas, Oklahoma reach out to SEC about joining conference https://houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/Texas-Oklahoma-reach-out-to-SEC-about-joining-16330080.php?utm_campaign=CMS%20Sharing%20Tools%20 (Premium)&utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral… via
@houstonchron

Texas, Oklahoma reach out to SEC about joining conference
houstonchronicle.com

I don’t have a subscription but some are saying the article states this announcement could happen soon.

I was inspired to go back about 10 months in time in this thread. Congrats to John Swofford with his "Buck wept" post, which took the cake on the day of Sooner-geddon.

[RealignmentFan]

Loose translation: Warren and I want to stay under the NCAA and continue to be socialistically drained and butt raped on Basketball revenue! Meanwhile Kliavkoff spends more time with Sankey. Piss on the Big 10's love of the NCAA!

The ACC schools should be beginning for change. They need basketball revenue redone to have any chance of not being left behind. And the BIG should be at the forefront of pay to play. It levels the playing field.

Of course, these are the conferences that celebrated Pyrrhic victory in keeping the playoff from expanding. Absolutely horrible leadership. Meanwhile the SEC could have 3/4 of the field if Oklahoma or UT have good seasons. yet still locked up OU/UT 4 years early, gets multiple bids on new CFP.

What next, the BIG frees up ESPN cash to buy USC or move ACC schools?

[JRsec*]

The ACC schools should be beginning for change. They need basketball revenue redone to have any chance of not being left behind. And the BIG should be at the forefront of pay to play. It levels the playing field.

Of course, these are the conferences that celebrated Pyrrhic victory in keeping the playoff from expanding. Absolutely horrible leadership. Meanwhile the SEC could have 3/4 of the field if Oklahoma or UT have good seasons. yet still locked up OU/UT 4 years early, gets multiple bids on new CFP.

What next, the BIG frees up ESPN cash to buy USC or move ACC schools?

You aren't just preaching to the choir but the one who wrote the tune. Signing USC and ND as independents is ESPN's play to eventually lure OSU, PSU, Iowa, Nebraska and possibly Michigan & Wisconsin. No ND and no USC and Warren gets caught with his britches down trying to find his ass with both hands. The only thing worse would be the SEC moving to 18 with ND and Kansas, and then adding the 6 most valuable ACC schools to hit 24. If ESPN pulled something like that off then its all over. Time and loss of exposure closes the deal within a few years on the sports serious B1G schools.

And that's not an SEC play, but an ESPN play. Then we get a self contained CFP to top off the revenue. Notre Dame and USC are now a tipping point in future balance for the B1G and critical mass for ESPN.

[JRsec*]

I haven't done that yet, it might provide entertainment. He hasn't made one single post out here since last July.

It must suck to be the fool who spent years telling everyone else they were wrong only to realize he was never right about anything! Think of the misery he would have been spared had all board mods banned him 8 years ago like my home board did!

[Deadeye]

I went back to Julius' post announcing the OU/UT/SEC rumor. All of this was from Buckaineer on only the prior page, and all I can say is that he was one prolific jackass:

The only conferences in danger of losing anyone are the acc and PAC 12.

The PAC 12 has a new commissioner and new contracts coming up.

The acc has the lowest payouts (unless the PAC falls flat) through 2036.


The SEC isn't expanding, the BIG Ten will be announcing next year at the latest deals that will renew in 2023.

Schools need time to exit conferences so its a pretty safe bet (besides the obvious no announcement of expansion investigations) that the B10 has no intention or need to grow.


The BIG 12 has contract renewals coming up, is expected to land a great new deal or deal(s) and has shown that they aren't very interested in expansion. No one in the conference appears slightly interested in moving anywhere.

It could make sense for the Big Ten to want to move out Nebraska.

There were many in the Big Ten that wanted it a year ago. Nebraska seems to have gone back and forth for years now.

But maybe, the Big Ten gets a better deal for 12 schools than 14. Or maybe expansion plans with acc schools requires that they add a certain number of schools to make it viable.

Would make alot of sense for schools like Arkansas and Nebraska to move, but money is the deciding factor. Could end up being very close, should know in the next few seasons.

Who knows? Maybe the rumors from awhile back were legit--UNC, UVA, and Missouri to the Big Ten. Let Nebraska move back to the BIG 12.

Isnt it kinda weird how the SEC is supposed to be this great conference - yet all these SEC fans are here trying to lure BIG 12 schools to actually make it great?!

LOL!! Comedy gold.

Real B10 expansion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=modChWLpk4s

Check out around the 3:40 mark for the actual future B10 expansion news-from Mar 16, 2021.

Bowl execs ready to tear up contracts, negotiate when CFP expands

https://247sports.com/college/virgin...owl-168012752/


will be interesting to see how the Sugar and Rose Bowls work into this new playoff deal.

This is the only real expansion the Big Ten is considering- adding hockey schools. What dont you understand exactly?

In a VIDEO the B10 commissioner is discussing adding an 8th or more schools to increase their HOCKEY league.

If these games become playoff semis- will be interesting how/ if the SEC- BIG 12 and Big Ten- PAC 12 major bowls are then shifted or moved elsewhere.

So what? Its REAL and VERIFIABLE. Its proof these things arent super too secret as you like to pretend.

Have you seen or heard that the B10 is looking to add any football schools. NO.

Therefore why are you pretending they are? Theyll be announcing new tv deals next year and once that is done thats it- they arent going to reopen contracts after getting a new deal.

On one hand the BIG 12 and its schools are crap and the SEC is the best thing this side of the moon- yet these SEC fans pretend to be BIG 12 fans, then whine night and day practically begging BIG 12 schools to come and save them from their mediocrity and apparent lack of interest for their own fans and improve their finances?


Very bizarre behavior.

obviously the SEC fans arent all that into the SEC but are REALLY into the BIG 12 as they pine for BIG 12 schools 24/7 365.

I dont require your support to state facts that everyone can see for themselves.

You dont speak for anyone but yourself.

[RealignmentFan]

You aren't just preaching to the choir but the one who wrote the tune. Signing USC and ND as independents is ESPN's play to eventually lure OSU, PSU, Iowa, Nebraska and possibly Michigan & Wisconsin. No ND and no USC and Warren gets caught with his britches down trying to find his ass with both hands. The only thing worse would be the SEC moving to 18 with ND and Kansas, and then adding the 6 most valuable ACC schools to hit 24. If ESPN pulled something like that off then its all over. Time and loss of exposure closes the deal within a few years on the sports serious B1G schools.

And that's not an SEC play, but an ESPN play. Then we get a self contained CFP to top off the revenue. Notre Dame and USC are now a tipping point in future balance for the B1G and critical mass for ESPN.

It seems that way. Is that how you get people trying to impersonate you?

USC going independent would be exciting Imo. And I imagine the value added that could be created by using USC to enhance ESPN’s other inventory is appealing.
I grew up with all these conferences being must see or fairly equitable. I miss caring about P12 football. It’s rare I look at the schedule and think a P12 games is must watch. It’s more often fending off the AAC and Mountain West. Basketball is like that too.

If ESPN is out of the BIG, they could really beat any deal USC gets.

Im very curious to see how the BIG handles this risk. There’s a lot of ignorance or arrogance in the Alliance. They may think they can maintain business as usual- they’ve never been on the business end of the axe. Will they bank in USC and the Pac12 getting subsidized enough to stabilize? Perhaps in exchange for the BIG giving a friendly deal?

[JRsec*]

It seems that way. Is that how you get people trying to impersonate you?

USC going independent would be exciting Imo. And I imagine the value added that could be created by using USC to enhance ESPN’s other inventory is appealing.
I grew up with all these conferences being must see or fairly equitable. I miss caring about P12 football. It’s rare I look at the schedule and think a P12 games is must watch. It’s more often fending off the AAC and Mountain West. Basketball is like that too.

If ESPN is out of the BIG, they could really beat any deal USC gets.

Im very curious to see how the BIG handles this risk. There’s a lot of ignorance or arrogance in the Alliance. They may think they can maintain business as usual- they’ve never been on the business end of the axe. Will they bank in USC and the Pac12 getting subsidized enough to stabilize? Perhaps in exchange for the BIG giving a friendly deal?

I lived among the Big 10 early in life. I like most of them. They stress academics and that's wonderful for research and academic standing. I see their reluctance to embrace the new reality as the obtuse self assurance of academics when confronted with real time businessmen. A sports alliance is no longer a convenient and entertaining event around which academics can meet. It's now a multi-million dollar business venture and it's about compelling sports for the public and not a backdrop for academic associations. Until the Big 10 compartmentalizes the two and pursues excellence in both they will continue to suffer in competitiveness. They are dying on a hill which was leveled for the stadium years ago. Sad really!

[JRsec*]

I went back to Julius' post announcing the OU/UT/SEC rumor. All of this was from Buckaineer on only the prior page, and all I can say is that he was one prolific jackass:

Never has a poster been hoisted on his own petard every time he posted! He hit himself in the face with more lie pies than the Marx Brothers and Three Stooges combined. All his posts should have contained a picture of Wile E. Coyote and an ACME bomb!

[RealignmentFan]

I lived among the Big 10 early in life. I like most of them. They stress academics and that's wonderful for research and academic standing. I see their reluctance to embrace the new reality as the obtuse self assurance of academics when confronted with real time businessmen. A sports alliance is no longer a convenient and entertaining event around which academics can meet. It's now a multi-million dollar business venture and it's about compelling sports for the public and not a backdrop for academic associations. Until the Big 10 compartmentalizes the two and pursues excellence in both they will continue to suffer in competitiveness. They are dying on a hill which was leveled for the stadium years ago. Sad really!

Do they realize they are only competing for budget banners?
I think that limited POV is a big part of it too- every other conference is viewed as weaker on the field/court, and the SEC doesn't count because they "cheat". Despite things like KenPom and Sagarin saying otherwise, let alone national titles. That has historical roots going back to when they owned the press. When your footprint is 25% of the population, it's tough to think outside the rust belt bubble.

[XLance]

I lived among the Big 10 early in life. I like most of them. They stress academics and that's wonderful for research and academic standing. I see their reluctance to embrace the new reality as the obtuse self assurance of academics when confronted with real time businessmen. A sports alliance is no longer a convenient and entertaining event around which academics can meet. It's now a multi-million dollar business venture and it's about compelling sports for the public and not a backdrop for academic associations. Until the Big 10 compartmentalizes the two and pursues excellence in both they will continue to suffer in competitiveness. They are dying on a hill which was leveled for the stadium years ago. Sad really!

There have been rumors................

[WoadBlue]

There have been rumors................

He definitely has the old time BT mentally of 'buy off/kill the competition in order to name yourself KING' down pat. That includes all the viciousness in shutting down so much as discussion wherever he can. The post to which you responded is a clear expression of one part of his mission: frame any BT leadership that intends to remain within a fairly traditional student athlete structure as backward, naive, the virtually sole reason that BT football has twice the money of the ACC and wins about half the National Championships.

[RocketCitySooner]

It must suck to be the fool who spent years telling everyone else they were wrong only to realize he was never right about anything! Think of the misery he would have been spared had all board mods banned him 8 years ago like my home board did!

l

Buck wasn't as delusional as some depict. Buck knew the handwriting was on the wall and what it would mean for WVU if OU/UT left XII. His posts here were merely an attempt to convince everyone else that OU/UT should stay rather than a prediction that they would. IOW, Buck was, as I stated multiple times, 'whistling past the graveyard'.

BTW, anyone know where he hangs out now?

[Deadeye]

lBuck wasn't as delusional as some depict. Buck knew the handwriting was on the wall and what it would mean for WVU if OU/UT left XII.

If he wasn't delusional regarding OU and UT possibly leaving, then Buck was delusional regarding the belief that he could affect their decision with his ramblings.

[RealignmentFan]

If he wasn't delusional regarding OU and UT possibly leaving, then Buck was delusional regarding the belief that he could affect their decision with his ramblings.

He said everyone else, not OU/UT

[Julius]

l

Buck wasn't as delusional as some depict. Buck knew the handwriting was on the wall and what it would mean for WVU if OU/UT left XII. His posts here were merely an attempt to convince everyone else that OU/UT should stay rather than a prediction that they would. IOW, Buck was, as I stated multiple times, 'whistling past the graveyard'.

BTW, anyone know where he hangs out now?

Buck hangs out at my main WVU message board, WVU Rivals.

He acts the same way. Everything is a conspiracy.

[RocketCitySooner]

If he wasn't delusional regarding OU and UT possibly leaving, then Buck was delusional regarding the belief that he could affect their decision with his ramblings.

I think Buck's desperation drove him to delusional posts. He was desperate to convince OU/UT fans to keep OU/UT in the XII.

[RocketCitySooner]

Buck hangs out at my main WVU message board, WVU Rivals.

He acts the same way. Everything is a conspiracy.

Ever ask Buck if he thinks OU/UT will return to the XII?

[JRsec*]

l

Buck wasn't as delusional as some depict. Buck knew the handwriting was on the wall and what it would mean for WVU if OU/UT left XII. His posts here were merely an attempt to convince everyone else that OU/UT should stay rather than a prediction that they would. IOW, Buck was, as I stated multiple times, 'whistling past the graveyard'.

BTW, anyone know where he hangs out now?

Sorry but he fit this old saying, "He'd argue with a signpost and then take the wrong way!" And he did it across multiple boards. Delusional or committed? Well, the delusional are usually committed, just not in the sense that you mean!

And RCS, he was the same way on Big East boards when that conference was imploding around his Eers, long before OU and UT in the B12!

[goldendomer]

@ADavidHaleJoint
56m
This week's ACC spring meetings covered some hot topics -- from NIL and tampering enforcement to the new scheduling plans, but with a B1G TV deal valued at more than $1.1B coming soon, it all felt a bit like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. A quick ?.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
55m
@ByPatForde
talked w/Jack Swarbrick a few weeks back in which the ND AD speculated on seismic changes coming: "We're going to have these 2 conf that have distanced themselves from anyone else financially, that's where I see it starting to break down."
si.com
Notre Dame AD Swarbrick Sees Division I Breakup as ‘Inevitable’
Wholesale change is unavoidable in college athletics. The Fighting Irish athletic director thinks a total realignment of Division I is coming with it.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
54m
Swarbrick spoke today and reiterated that concern: "We're getting to a two solar system model here. You have two suns with all the gravitational pull -- the Big Ten and the SEC. People are going to have to figure out how to align with one or the other.”
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@ADavidHaleJoint
53m
Swarbrick didn't make guarantees -- "possible but not inevitable" — but said there are "fissures" that creating the lines of demarcation: Football/men's basketball investment & success; philosophy/culture; finances. You can see those on display just in the ACC.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
53m
Miami AD Dan Radakovich basically endorsed Swarbrick's prediction, too: "The idea of having like-minded schools pull together and do something different, I know Jack talked about it as being inevitable, I don't know that I disagree with that. It's just what the timeline is."
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@ADavidHaleJoint
52m
What is the timeline? Several folks I talked to think a break from the NCAA is coming soon - maybe within the next 6-12 months. Gene Smith's suggestion about allowing the CFP to govern is a big part of that discussion. But what about something more seismic like super conferences?
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@ADavidHaleJoint
50m
Jim Phillips said the time was now to investigate new arrangements for football but tried to tamp down concerns about super conference-type change: "I don't see that happening right now or over the next 5-10 years. I just don’t."
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@ADavidHaleJoint
49m
The trump card for Phillips is the ACC’s grant of rights, which runs through 2036 and would prevent any departing schools from keeping their media rights in a new league. It’s been a shield for the league in the wake of last summer’s Okla/Texas moves but it won’t always be.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
Each year that passes, the relative cost of the GoR goes down, while the relative revenue losses compared w/SEC & B1G goes up. Given state of NIL & pay-for-play, for football-focused schools like Miami, Clemson & FSU, that’s a potentially existential concern in the long term.
9:11 AM · May 12, 2022·TweetDeck

[FtwTxSooner]

That SEC network simply prints money.

[JRsec*]

Once brand consolidation is fully ongoing and content value maximized the next variable will be exposure. Texas and Oklahoma covered themselves very nicely by aligning with the SEC. I fully expect the key brands of the ACC to do the same, and think the odds are better for Notre Dame than many would think, and possibly USC.

If ESPN placated the remnant with a small bump and cohesion in a merged B12 and ACC they would have covered damage claims and could essentially convert the LHN into a studio to cover USC and ND. Those 2 could exist wholly as independents and schedule within the ESPN family. The AAC, SEC, and B12/ACC would provide loads of access to recruit rich states and the top SEC brands (including OU and UT) could benefit from series with both USC and ND. ESPN would have late slot games with USC, BYU, and Texas Tech to air and would have ad opportunities in B10 country through ND and in Cali through USC.

Over time this will become a lure for tOSU and PSU, and perhaps a few more.between the current PAC and B1G schools.

[Val on the Getner]

Rumblings that Fall 2023 is it

[RocketCitySooner]

Rumblings that Fall 2023 is it

Would not be surprised. BTW, which 'it' are you referring to?

[Val on the Getner]

The move

[RocketCitySooner]

The move

Have you heard anything specific that you might share with us?
I certainly hope you are correct.
The move will be great for OU.
You who live in OK don't realize how lucky you are that you can easily travel to games.
I live in North Alabama and it's an all day drive one way for me.
After the move, Al, AU, TU, Vandy, both Mississippi's, LSU, KU all would be day trips to see a game.

[Julius]

@ADavidHaleJoint
56m
This week's ACC spring meetings covered some hot topics -- from NIL and tampering enforcement to the new scheduling plans, but with a B1G TV deal valued at more than $1.1B coming soon, it all felt a bit like arranging deck chairs on the Titanic. A quick ?.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
55m
@ByPatForde
talked w/Jack Swarbrick a few weeks back in which the ND AD speculated on seismic changes coming: "We're going to have these 2 conf that have distanced themselves from anyone else financially, that's where I see it starting to break down."
si.com
Notre Dame AD Swarbrick Sees Division I Breakup as ‘Inevitable’
Wholesale change is unavoidable in college athletics. The Fighting Irish athletic director thinks a total realignment of Division I is coming with it.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
54m
Swarbrick spoke today and reiterated that concern: "We're getting to a two solar system model here. You have two suns with all the gravitational pull -- the Big Ten and the SEC. People are going to have to figure out how to align with one or the other.”
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@ADavidHaleJoint
53m
Swarbrick didn't make guarantees -- "possible but not inevitable" — but said there are "fissures" that creating the lines of demarcation: Football/men's basketball investment & success; philosophy/culture; finances. You can see those on display just in the ACC.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
53m
Miami AD Dan Radakovich basically endorsed Swarbrick's prediction, too: "The idea of having like-minded schools pull together and do something different, I know Jack talked about it as being inevitable, I don't know that I disagree with that. It's just what the timeline is."
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@ADavidHaleJoint
52m
What is the timeline? Several folks I talked to think a break from the NCAA is coming soon - maybe within the next 6-12 months. Gene Smith's suggestion about allowing the CFP to govern is a big part of that discussion. But what about something more seismic like super conferences?
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@ADavidHaleJoint
50m
Jim Phillips said the time was now to investigate new arrangements for football but tried to tamp down concerns about super conference-type change: "I don't see that happening right now or over the next 5-10 years. I just don’t."
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@ADavidHaleJoint
49m
The trump card for Phillips is the ACC’s grant of rights, which runs through 2036 and would prevent any departing schools from keeping their media rights in a new league. It’s been a shield for the league in the wake of last summer’s Okla/Texas moves but it won’t always be.
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@ADavidHaleJoint
Each year that passes, the relative cost of the GoR goes down, while the relative revenue losses compared w/SEC & B1G goes up. Given state of NIL & pay-for-play, for football-focused schools like Miami, Clemson & FSU, that’s a potentially existential concern in the long term.
9:11 AM · May 12, 2022·TweetDeck

I can’t figure out what Swarbrick’s angle is here. He definitely isn’t attempting to warm himself up to ACC officials by spelling out the fact everyone wants to leave the conference to move to SEC or Big Ten. I wonder how much Big Ten and SEC is speaking to Swarbrick about conference affiliation? It looks weird for Swarbrick to be discussing all of this in open waters. Sharks circling?

[kopp0e]

Rumblings that Fall 2023 is it

So, the 2023 game v Georgia in Norman will be an SEC tilt/ what timeframe will be needed to add a non-con foe for next year..? What will be the official date we can buy OU/ SEC gear..?

So, Oklahoma will most likely have 3 permanent rivals, or will Sooners be in a pod with Texas/ Arkansas/ Missouri..? I think Texas A&M may be in division if UT/ A&M is on Thanksgiving...

[uberism]

I can’t figure out what Swarbrick’s angle is here. He definitely isn’t attempting to warm himself up to ACC officials by spelling out the fact everyone wants to leave the conference to move to SEC or Big Ten. I wonder how much Big Ten and SEC is speaking to Swarbrick about conference affiliation? It looks weird for Swarbrick to be discussing all of this in open waters. Sharks circling?

julius = flugempire

It's not that hard to fucking figure it out. He wants to break the shit apart now and get the split done and over with. There have been dozens of college athletic leaders chatting about this in the public these days. They want to get it over with.

[JRsec*]

I can’t figure out what Swarbrick’s angle is here. He definitely isn’t attempting to warm himself up to ACC officials by spelling out the fact everyone wants to leave the conference to move to SEC or Big Ten. I wonder how much Big Ten and SEC is speaking to Swarbrick about conference affiliation? It looks weird for Swarbrick to be discussing all of this in open waters. Sharks circling?

As Forest Gump said about free choice and predestination, "I think maybe it's both, at the same time!" You can bet the farm Swarbrick has spoken with FOX and the B1G and ESPN and Sankey.

[RealignmentFan]

I can’t figure out what Swarbrick’s angle is here. He definitely isn’t attempting to warm himself up to ACC officials by spelling out the fact everyone wants to leave the conference to move to SEC or Big Ten. I wonder how much Big Ten and SEC is speaking to Swarbrick about conference affiliation? It looks weird for Swarbrick to be discussing all of this in open waters. Sharks circling?

Does Swarbrick post on DirtBurglars? Seems like there’s been some talk on a P2 coming.

He’s telling schools the music is playing and to find a chair. With the nature of the GOR, such communication tends to be very public or very private. Boren was practically begging for an invite to those paying attention.

These ADs are preparing the base to the point change is expected. Once it’s unequivocal the ACC is dead it becomes easier to exit

[uberism]

Does Swarbrick post on DirtBurglars? Seems like there’s been some talk on a P2 coming.

He’s telling schools the music is playing and to find a chair. With the nature of the GOR, such communication tends to be very public or very private. Boren was practically begging for an invite to those paying attention.

These ADs are preparing the base to the point change is expected. Once it’s unequivocal the ACC is dead it becomes easier to exit

Exactly. They all agree after their hissy fits that they will let whatever number of schools (48, 40, whatever the number ends up at) and then you have a large brand division and then the likes of Oregon State, Washington State, Boston College, etc, combining with UCF, Houston, BYU and all of those types of schools.

Then you have two divisions, each division can have their own college football playoff.

[kopp0e]

Stuff moving fast.?!

[JRsec*]

For those who believe ND to the B1G is a foregone conclusion some food for thought:

1. Swarbrick has maintained an interest in playing in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. 3 of those have large Catholic populations and 2 are growing well.
2. ESPN will be flexible and has enough control and enough rights to help ND with scheduling.
3. Swarbrick, the Clemson AD, and so many others would not be yapping if they didn't know what was about to happen. They are desensitizing fans and alums to coming moves. If it wasn't happening within a couple of years, you wouldn't be hearing a peep.
4. Notre Dame doesn't want to be seen as another Northern Midwestern school. And they loved the UGa visiting crowd in South Bend.
5. They'll make more if forced to join in the SEC because they are more valuable to ESPN than to FOX.

[uberism]

For those who believe ND to the B1G is a foregone conclusion some food for thought:

1. Swarbrick has maintained an interest in playing in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. 3 of those have large Catholic populations and 2 are growing well.
2. ESPN will be flexible and has enough control and enough rights to help ND with scheduling.
3. Swarbrick, the Clemson AD, and so many others would not be yapping if they didn't know what was about to happen. They are desensitizing fans and alums to coming moves. If it wasn't happening within a couple of years, you wouldn't be hearing a peep.
4. Notre Dame doesn't want to be seen as another Northern Midwestern school. And they loved the UGa visiting crowd in South Bend.
5. They'll make more if forced to join in the SEC because they are more valuable to ESPN than to FOX.

I wouldn't be surprised if they reorganized the big brand division after the split happens.

[Julius]

For those who believe ND to the B1G is a foregone conclusion some food for thought:

1. Swarbrick has maintained an interest in playing in Florida, Georgia, Louisiana, and Texas. 3 of those have large Catholic populations and 2 are growing well.
2. ESPN will be flexible and has enough control and enough rights to help ND with scheduling.
3. Swarbrick, the Clemson AD, and so many others would not be yapping if they didn't know what was about to happen. They are desensitizing fans and alums to coming moves. If it wasn't happening within a couple of years, you wouldn't be hearing a peep.
4. Notre Dame doesn't want to be seen as another Northern Midwestern school. And they loved the UGa visiting crowd in South Bend.
5. They'll make more if forced to join in the SEC because they are more valuable to ESPN than to FOX.

I don’t see how anyone can rule out SEC for any of these schools that Sankey and SEC Presidents would agree to take in if they asked and of course Notre Dame would get a quick yes from all SEC Presidents.

Edit: However, do not agree with you ACC schools are available to be poached in year 2023-2030. Notre Dame is becoming in my mind a strong possibility for SEC.

[Julius]

I wouldn't be surprised if they reorganized the big brand division after the split happens.

SEC is not breaking up for at least 12 years. Your Super Duper League delusion will need to take a back seat to P2/P3 reality for next decade.

[ElectricSooner]

Stuff moving fast.?!

massive facility upgrades??? does this mean the stadium renovation thread will be reborn???

[JRsec*]

massive facility upgrades??? does this mean the stadium renovation thread will be reborn???

Getting ready for Fall of 2023.

[JRsec*]

Rumblings that Fall 2023 is it

It's on this end as well.

[RealignmentFan]

How does the ACC reach even 2025?

For a brief moment this spring, I had moved the Pac12 to the foremost risk of disbanding.

I take it back. Although the Pac12 is USC going independent away from death, and all are free agents in just two years, the ACC is in as unstable of a spot as any conference in

They are a tweener conference, but with several schools with P2 value AND many more schools that need the ACC to dissolve in order to get their full value. Plus 3-5 that are lower than their Big 12 counterparts, so it will be very tough for the ACC to do backfilling. That is as bad of combo as you can have. And ESPN and UNC and Co will not want to dissolve the conference only to waste the brand mostly on Big East and Big 12 leftovers.

The value of ANY P5 football is increasingly rapidly, with more media companies wanting a piece of live sports. Yet the ACC has to satisfy its schools with rights locked in at last century prices!


The ACC schools HAVE to agree to dissolution to get out from it. And ESPN controls two of the possible landing spots. Either the ACC schools largely go where ESPN wants, or they needlessly become a depreciated brands.

It won't take long for enough schools to find a suitable option.

[kopp0e]

massive facility upgrades??? does this mean the stadium renovation thread will be reborn???

I'll go give a necrobump just to tick off our buddy Mazeppa, I wonder if upgrades raise attendance to 90,000 with a new press box on west side..?

Getting ready for Fall of 2023.

Well, its being pushed as a narrative that LHN may be coming to an end soon..? Could that facility be used as a SECN west division production side..?

[JRsec*]

I'll go give a necrobump just to tick off our buddy Mazeppa, I wonder if upgrades raise attendance to 90,000 with a new press box on west side..?



Well, its being pushed as a narrative that LHN may be coming to an end soon..? Could that facility be used as a SECN west division production side..?

Part of it is likely a satellite uplink in sync with ESPN and SEC studios. The LHN could become anything from SEC West studio to anything ESPN can purpose it to be. Mayne a B12/ACC remnant West Studio for their network. We'll see!