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    The Big Ten has been hinting about going divisionless for months now, they just needed the NCAA decision to become official. The only question is what the list of three will end up being for each school, and how much bitching there will be from fan bases who are salty due to a missing rival, a school called a rival that isn't, or feeling unfairly targeted with an overly tough three.

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      Originally posted by JRsec* View Post

      Absolutely! As for the 4 mentioned: In actual estimated athletic value the order would be Kansas, North Carolina, Virginia and then Iowa State. Remembering, the Big Ten is the destination. In terms of market size it would be North Carolina, Virginia, Kansas, and way down the list Iowa State. So if you average sports value and markets the best pick up would be North Carolina and Kansas.
      Iowa State out draws every one of those schools for football attendance getting 61k a game. I'd bet basketball isn't far off either.

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        Originally posted by JRsec* View Post

        New Market of some size > any average size duplicated market. ISU is a fine school, which also just surrendered AAU status which was its only appeal to the B1G. UVa has triple the market of Iowa, is accretive and is an elite academic state flagship. It is contiguous and in B1G standards that's rock solid. They were also rumored to be in talks with the B1G when Maryland departed.
        Yes.. giving up the AAU status sucked for sure.. ISU still has many highly rated aerospace, mechanical engineering, agriculture and veterinary medicine programs.. along with the Carnegie R1 status, land/space grant affiliations. It's a shame the AAU began to alter thier acceptance formula and more heavily favor institutions with a medical school. Veterinary med school doesn't count as much either. ISU had been a part of that AAU crowd for over 70 years.

        But could the B1G really get past the ACC's GOR? I still wonder if stadium attendance is a better measure of a fanbase vs tv subscriptions. I'm sure people are paying the B1G just because they have cable or satellite and could hardly watch anything.

        It's crazy to me that what if ISU joined the B1G 100+ years ago they'd be another 2 school state like Illinois/NW, Michigan/MSU and Indiana/Purdue in the B1G.
        Last edited by Ace000087; 05-23-2022, 12:08 AM.

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          Originally posted by Ace000087 View Post

          Yes.. giving up the AAU status sucked for sure.. ISU still has many highly rated aerospace, mechanical engineering, agriculture and veterinary medicine programs.. along with the Carnegie R1 status, land/space grant affiliations. It's a shame the AAU began to alter thier acceptance formula and more heavily favor institutions with a medical school. Veterinary med school doesn't count as much either. ISU had been a part of that AAU crowd for over 70 years.

          The AAU didn't change their formula. What has happened is that over the past 20 years or so the federal government has hardly increased the funding for NSF grants while NIH (medical) grants have gone up 2-3x. This means there's a bigger pot of money going to medical research but the funding for basic scientific research has increased very little so universities without a medical school are at a relative disadvantage.

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            Originally posted by Ace000087 View Post

            Yes.. giving up the AAU status sucked for sure.. ISU still has many highly rated aerospace, mechanical engineering, agriculture and veterinary medicine programs.. along with the Carnegie R1 status, land/space grant affiliations. It's a shame the AAU began to alter thier acceptance formula and more heavily favor institutions with a medical school. Veterinary med school doesn't count as much either. ISU had been a part of that AAU crowd for over 70 years.

            But could the B1G really get past the ACC's GOR? I still wonder if stadium attendance is a better measure of a fanbase vs tv subscriptions. I'm sure people are paying the B1G just because they have cable or satellite and could hardly watch anything.

            It's crazy to me that what if ISU joined the B1G 100+ years ago they'd be another 2 school state like Illinois/NW, Michigan/MSU and Indiana/Purdue in the B1G.
            I don't disagree with anything you've said, nor do I harbor ill will for a school whose objectives are very similar to Auburn's, or for a state which essentially shares my values. Sadly, not even Vet Med counts much for AAU even though it shares and contributes in abundance and successfully in cancer research. This is what happens when bureaucrats prioritize educational disciplines politically instead of understanding how all health science disciplines assist knowledge in health science for humans.

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              Originally posted by Ace000087 View Post

              Iowa State out draws every one of those schools for football attendance getting 61k a game. I'd bet basketball isn't far off either.
              That's true, but no longer as important due to national market share. Iowa State is a solid product, a sound school, and does things the right way. Corporate America just can't figure out how to exploit them for profit as effectively as Michigan, Alabama, or Oklahoma.

              You see our schools are not promoted by Corporate Overlords for being sound schools. They are promoted if the create patents they can steal for grant money, are connected to research which benefits their portfolios (Pharma, Aerospace Engineering, teach some hack social agenda which helps profits in China, or produces law grads they hire to further their agenda. Never mind that you feed a hungry world, heck not having food shortages might impact their commodity positions.

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                Originally posted by JRsec* View Post

                I don't disagree with anything you've said, nor do I harbor ill will for a school whose objectives are very similar to Auburn's, or for a state which essentially shares my values. Sadly, not even Vet Med counts much for AAU even though it shares and contributes in abundance and successfully in cancer research. This is what happens when bureaucrats prioritize educational disciplines politically instead of understanding how all health science disciplines assist knowledge in health science for humans.
                It's pretty short sighted.
                Food production should be the nation's top priority. NC State and Virginia Tech have excellent veterinary programs but no medical schools, which is why neither has attained AAU status.

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                  Originally posted by JRsec* View Post

                  I don't disagree with anything you've said, nor do I harbor ill will for a school whose objectives are very similar to Auburn's, or for a state which essentially shares my values. Sadly, not even Vet Med counts much for AAU even though it shares and contributes in abundance and successfully in cancer research. This is what happens when bureaucrats prioritize educational disciplines politically instead of understanding how all health science disciplines assist knowledge in health science for humans.

                  Most ag related grants are earmarked, not competitive. AAU metrics prioritize grants that are awarded on a competitive basis instead of being directly given to an institution. This isn't unfairly targeting those grants, even awards for basic science are treated this way if they are not competitively awarded. For instance the U of Iowa has some space related grants directly awarded (Iowa has a history with NASA back to its early days, check out who the Van Allen radiation belts are named for) which would thus not be fully counted in AAU metrics for the same reason.

                  For whatever reason a larger portion of research funding for ag and veterinary science has historically tended to be earmarked for specific schools instead of competitively awarded. I don't know the specifics, but I'm assuming they are part of the yearly farm bills and powerful politicians in farm states are more successful at targeting stuff toward their state's schools than they are in forcing e.g. the NIH to target medical research at a specific institution.

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                    Originally posted by slice1900 View Post


                    Most ag related grants are earmarked, not competitive. AAU metrics prioritize grants that are awarded on a competitive basis instead of being directly given to an institution. This isn't unfairly targeting those grants, even awards for basic science are treated this way if they are not competitively awarded. For instance the U of Iowa has some space related grants directly awarded (Iowa has a history with NASA back to its early days, check out who the Van Allen radiation belts are named for) which would thus not be fully counted in AAU metrics for the same reason.

                    For whatever reason a larger portion of research funding for ag and veterinary science has historically tended to be earmarked for specific schools instead of competitively awarded. I don't know the specifics, but I'm assuming they are part of the yearly farm bills and powerful politicians in farm states are more successful at targeting stuff toward their state's schools than they are in forcing e.g. the NIH to target medical research at a specific institution.
                    I understand the AAU has emphasized the number of competitive grants received. But universities hire professional bootlickers and faculty who can take on that role, who know how to write grants and how to win them. It’s not always necessarily about the actual content of the grant being proposed. I don’t think that universities who receive earmarked grants, but do actual practical and quality research, should be penalized.

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                      Ol' bad news for Lincoln Riley & USC..? Worrying in Eugene & Tempe long term, or add XII brands..?



                      Ironic (it would be) if Trojans go indy with ESPN and play a schedule full of SEC foes in the future.?!

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                        So the big ten, as mentioned in the article above, will get paid 63 million dollars per school for the 23' academic year. Now you know why the Iowa AD said only a few millon dollars more. 71M from 63M isn't a large increase.

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                          I guess Texas is officially gearing up the hype machine. The SEC logo appears at the end of the pre-season football video, lol. Sarkisian says “whatever”, he wants to win the B12.

                          Wow. The PAC12 only pays out $19.8M per school this year? And the PAC network is in the red? Lean pickings on the West Coast. Surely, USC (and possibly others) are in talks with other conferences? Or do they have no other choice but to chalk it up to Covid and just go on?
                          Last edited by XOVERX; 05-25-2022, 07:25 AM.

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                            Originally posted by uberism View Post
                            So the big ten, as mentioned in the article above, will get paid 63 million dollars per school for the 23' academic year. Now you know why the Iowa AD said only a few millon dollars more. 71M from 63M isn't a large increase.
                            How much are the SEC schools each getting? Last count I saw was in the 50's but that was last year or so.

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                              Originally posted by uberism View Post
                              So the big ten, as mentioned in the article above, will get paid 63 million dollars per school for the 23' academic year. Now you know why the Iowa AD said only a few millon dollars more. 71M from 63M isn't a large increase.
                              The 61.1 million you see listed for “23” is a conference payout number not media money only number. Out of that 61.1 million conference Big Ten payout number about 45-46 million can be attributed to media money in Big Ten media contracts under their 2017 media contracts. So if Big Ten is truly getting a 1 billion a year media contract then the 71 million per school is much larger than what they are receiving now at 45 or 46 million per school, per year. I don’t know if this Barta dude will be accurate or not but 71 million is more than just a few million more than mid 40’s.

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                                Originally posted by XOVERX View Post
                                I guess Texas is officially gearing up the hype machine. The SEC logo appears at the end of the pre-season football video, lol. Sarkisian says “whatever”, he wants to win the B12.

                                Wow. The PAC12 only pays out $19.8M per school this year? And the PAC network is in the red? Lean pickings on the West Coast. Surely, USC (and possibly others) are in talks with other conferences? Or do they have no other choice but to chalk it up to Covid and just go on?
                                PAC payout number is mainly due to Covid and not playing many football games. But I do wonder if ESPN is attempting to line up a independent relationship with USC? Another thought could be Fox and Amazon double teaming to line up a independent USC relationship?

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                                  Originally posted by frou View Post

                                  How much are the SEC schools each getting? Last count I saw was in the 50's but that was last year or so.
                                  54,6 million in media revenue in 2020-21 which is the latest tax year reported to EADA. 75.1 is the projected figure for 2023's new contract w/o OU and UT. Could be a lot more when they actually play.

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                                    I normally just read the mindless babbling but thought you all might want to discuss actual realignment for a change.

                                    https://www.theonlycolors.com/2022/5...to-the-big-ten

                                    Michigan State athletic director Alan Haller confirms realignment coming to the Big Ten


                                    By Kevin Knight (SpartyOnHuskers)@SpartyOnHuskers May 23, 2022, 5:00pm CDT
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                                    Despite the major shifts in college athletic conference realignment triggered by Texas and Oklahoma last summer, the Big Ten has thus far not made any firm moves besides announcing an ambiguous “alliance” with the Atlantic Coast Conference and Pac-12 Conference last August.

                                    Fans of the 14-team Big Ten Conference can now expect some news about realignment of the league soon, according to Michigan State athletic director Allan Haller, per MLive’s Matt Wenzel.

                                    Speaking on Monday afternoon alongside head coaches Mel Tucker (football) and Tom Izzo (men’s basketball) at a Detroit Economic Club meeting at the MotorCity Casino, Haller answered a question about whether the Big Ten will have any conference realignment by confirming “There will be. We’re working through them.”

                                    Haller is coming off of a two-day meeting with other Big Ten athletic directors last week at the league headquarters in Rosemont, Illinois. However, beyond confirming that changes of some kind regarding conference realignment will happen, Haller did not elaborate further and was not made available for questions following his remarks.

                                    The relative stability of late in conference realignment over the past several years was shattered last year when it came out that heavyweights Oklahoma and Texas were bolting the Big 12 for the SEC. The ACC and Pac-12 later announced an informal alliance with the Big Ten that might someday lead to greater scheduling frequency in football and other sports between the three power conferences. Meanwhile, the Big 12 almost immediately scrambled for the best programs it could get, gobbling up Cincinnati, UCF, Houston, and BYU as new members (beginning with BYU in 2023, with the other programs all joining by 2024).

                                    Further changes have arisen now as just last week, the NCAA moved to loosen rules around FBS conference championship games. As a result of that change, divisions are no longer needed regardless of league size and the two teams with the highest conference winning percentage can now play against one another in the championship game instead of requiring the two division winners to square off against one another. The Pac-12 has already dissolved its North and South divisions for the upcoming 2022 football season as a result and will pit its two winningest teams against one another for the league title.

                                    It is unclear what the exact changes will be in terms of Big Ten realignment, but fans can expect to hear more news soon. It may be that the conference will expand yet again to 16-teams to keep pace with the Southeastern Conference.

                                    Then again, it may just simply return to a division realignment that aims to bring the competitive balance that was the goal of the Legends and Leaders divisions from 2011 to 2013 after Nebraska joined instead of geographic proximity of East and West used since 2014.

                                    Another option would be to do away with divisions entirely like the Pac-12 did and move to something more akin to a pod schedule with some number of annual opponents (rivals) and rotate through the rest of the conference in some fashion. Either option is also on the table if the Big Ten expands as well.

                                    Since the Big Ten’s most recent expansion in 2014, the Big Ten East Division is 8-0 in Big Ten Championship matchups. While many pundits love to highlight that fact, there is also no clear guarantee the teams winning the title would be any different in a new arrangement as the four current East Division schools of Michigan State, Michigan, Ohio State and Penn State all remain best poised for the league crown even in a realigned Big Ten.

                                    “Michigan State has a seat at the table during this national college realignment, landscape changes because of our history — academic performance, competition performance and then what we do in the community,” Haller said, via MLive. “So while we have that seat at the table, it’s important for me as the athletic director to make sure we stay at that table because what you see next year at this time will be much different than what we’re doing right now. I’m focused on making sure Michigan State’s name is still at the table, we stay at the table with all these changes. There will be changes, quite a bit of them.”

                                    At the very least, fans should know that the 2023 through 2025 football schedules as originally released in 2018 have been tossed into the recycling bin as a result of changes made in 2020. According to internet sleuths last night, all 14 athletic departments have officially removed the future schedules from their respective websites for now.

                                    When the official news about the Big Ten’s plans finally breaks, we will be sure to update you then. In the meantime, let us know what you want to have happen in the comments! Bonus points if you have any good name proposals for potential reworked divisions.

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                                      https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...e%20conference.)


                                      Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12 revenue fell in fiscal year of pandemic, while ACC, SEC saw increases

                                      Steve Berkowitz
                                      USA TODAY




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                                      In the summer and fall of 2020, the Atlantic Coast Conference joined the Southeastern Conference in having college sports’ most aggressive approach to playing football games amid the COVID-19 pandemic. The ACC also ended up joining the SEC as the only Power Five conferences to show revenue increases for the corresponding 2021 fiscal year, new federal tax records show.

                                      The Big 12, Big Ten and Pac-12 were more conservative and, in some cases, unlucky in their efforts to stage football games -- and they ended up with respective revenue downturns of $53 million, $89 million and $190 million.

                                      Because of the pandemic, the Pac-12 said, only one of 35 football games scheduled for the conference-owned Pac-12 Networks was played, and the networks ended up with a $14 million operating deficit after showing a $36 million surplus in fiscal 2020. This helped result in per-school payouts dropping to $19.8 million in 2021, from $33.6 million in 2020.

                                      The conferences other than the SEC provided their new returns this week in response to requests from USA TODAY Sports, which also obtained additional comments from those four conferences. The SEC made its return public in February, and it showed total revenue of just over $833 million – a $105 million increase over what it reported for fiscal 2020. Its member schools received an average of $54.6 million in fiscal 2021, plus a $23.3 million advance on future conference distributions.

                                      Collectively, the conferences’ documents showed that three commissioners who served for the entire 2020 calendar year took significant total-pay reductions – the Pac-12’s Larry Scott, the Big 12’s Bob Bowlsby and the ACC’s John Swofford.

                                      MORE:SEC increased its revenue by $105 million in 2021, reaching a total of $833 million

                                      CASHING IN:What pandemic? These college coaches cashed in big.

                                      Jim Delany, who retired from the Big Ten in the middle of 2020, was credited with a net total of $4.7 million, including nearly $3 million that represented the third year’s worth of money from the more than $20 million in future bonuses for which he became eligible in July 2015 and the conference said he will be receiving over a 10-year span.

                                      The documents also showed that the conferences’ overall spending on lobbying nearly doubled to $2 million and spending on outside legal services more than doubled to nearly $23 million amid the Alston antitrust case and contentiousness surrounding athletes’ ability to make money from their name, image and likeness. The NCAA and the Power Five conferences combined to rack up more than $75 million in outside legal costs in fiscal 2021.

                                      On the revenue side, the ACC improved by nearly $82 million to a little more than $578 million, as its teams were set up to play 11 regular season games – 10 in conference play. Notre Dame played the 2020 football season as an ACC school rather than an independent, and it received a full revenue share rather the smaller amount it normally receives for participating in ACC sports other than football. The conference also was helped by continued growth of the ACC Network.

                                      The documents and comments from Big 12, Big Ten and Pac-12 officials provided insight into moves those conferences made to limit their revenue losses and/or preserve payouts to schools, even though there may be future impacts.

                                      For example, the Big Ten exercised a pre-existing option to sell 20% of its interest in the Big Ten Network to Fox, the company with which it has roughly shared ownership of the network since it was formed in 2006. The deal put about $100 million in cash or receivables on the Big Ten’s books, and the conference saidabout $3.5 million of that went to each of the 14 member schools in fiscal 2021.
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                                      That helped offset the TV revenue decline from what the conference said was a 47% decrease in overall football game inventory across all carriers that resulted from its decision to delay the start of the season and then cancelations that occurred during the season. The Big Ten does not specifically report TV revenue on its tax records, but what it terms “Sports Revenue” fell from nearly $678 million in fiscal 2020 to just over $583 million in 2021.

                                      Overall, the conference reported nearly $680 million in revenue for 2021, down from $769 million in 2020.

                                      But its reported payout to schools fell by much less – to $671 million in 2021, compared to $689 million in 2020. However, the 2021 payout does not take into account roughly $52 million that the schools had to pay back to the conference because the conference set up and financed a COVID testing program. In addition, Maryland and Rutgers received full revenue shares for the first time.

                                      Other conference-by-conference facts, figures and details:
                                      ACC


                                      Payouts to schools: Ranged from $35 million to $38.1 million. (In 2020, they ranged $30.9 million to $37 million, except for Notre Dame, which got $10.8 million.) The conference declined to comment on whether Notre Dame’s full participation in the 2020 football season resulted in an increase in TV rights fees. It said that the ACC Network was about 80% of full distribution in fiscal 2020, and reached full distribution in December 2021; this should result in increased revenue for fiscal 2022.

                                      Commissioner’s pay: Swofford credited with more than $3.6 million in total compensation for 2020 calendar year, down from just over $4 million in 2019.
                                      Big 12


                                      Payouts to schools: Ranged from $34.7 million to $36.5 million. (In 2020, they ranged from $37 million to $40.5 million.) To support payouts in 2021, the conference ran an operating deficit for the year of just less than $16 million, the second consecutive year in which it reported a deficit. The conference said it is on track to stay on budget for fiscal 2022.

                                      Commissioner’s pay: Bowlsby credited with nearly $3.1 million in total compensation for 2020 calendar year, down from $4.4 million in 2019. After getting bonuses of at least $450,000 in each of the previous seven years, Bowlsby received no bonus in 2020. The conference said that, in terms of base salary, he took a 10% decrease in May 2020, a 20% decrease from June through September, and 30% decrease from October 2020 to April 2021.
                                      Big Ten


                                      Payouts to schools: Ranged from $43.1 million to $49.1 million. (In 2020, they were about $54.3 million for each of its 12 longest-standing members, $27.6 million for Maryland and $11.4 million for Rutgers. Maryland and Rutgers also received loans from the conference.) Payouts to schools other than Maryland and Rutgers were helped by those two schools beginning to repay loans they had received while receiving smaller annual shares. Combined, they returned $29 million to the conference in fiscal 2021. They still owe $145 million, with most due from Maryland.

                                      Commissioner’s pay: Delany’s successor, Kevin Warren, was credited with nearly $3.5 million for 2020, his first full calendar year as commissioner.
                                      Pac-12


                                      Payouts to schools: See above. While they were the lowest among the Power Five by a significant margin, they could have been lower. The conference said distributors of the Pac-12 Networks paid their usual full amounts “even though there was a recognition that there would need to be a settlement due to the delivery of less football games.” The distributors took credits in fiscal 2022 “once it could be determined how much should be credited.”

                                      Commissioner’s pay: Scott, who has now departed, was credited with just over $3.7 million for the 2020 calendar year. That’s down from just over $4.6 million in 2019 and the first time he was credited with less than $4 million since 2013.

                                      His $750,000 bonus for 2020 was his lowest bonus since 2010, when he received $626,000. He continued to have the benefit of nearly $1.9 million loan from the conference.

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                                        Originally posted by FoCoSooner View Post
                                        https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...e%20conference.)


                                        Pac-12, Big Ten, Big 12 revenue fell in fiscal year of pandemic, while ACC, SEC saw increases

                                        Steve Berkowitz
                                        USA TODAY




                                        0:00
                                        2:36


                                        In the summer and fall of 2020, the Atlantic Coast Conference joined the Southeastern Conference in having college sports’ most aggressive approach to playing football games amid the COVID-19 pandemic. The ACC also ended up joining the SEC as the only Power Five conferences to show revenue increases for the corresponding 2021 fiscal year, new federal tax records show.

                                        The Big 12, Big Ten and Pac-12 were more conservative and, in some cases, unlucky in their efforts to stage football games -- and they ended up with respective revenue downturns of $53 million, $89 million and $190 million.

                                        Because of the pandemic, the Pac-12 said, only one of 35 football games scheduled for the conference-owned Pac-12 Networks was played, and the networks ended up with a $14 million operating deficit after showing a $36 million surplus in fiscal 2020. This helped result in per-school payouts dropping to $19.8 million in 2021, from $33.6 million in 2020.

                                        The conferences other than the SEC provided their new returns this week in response to requests from USA TODAY Sports, which also obtained additional comments from those four conferences. The SEC made its return public in February, and it showed total revenue of just over $833 million – a $105 million increase over what it reported for fiscal 2020. Its member schools received an average of $54.6 million in fiscal 2021, plus a $23.3 million advance on future conference distributions.

                                        Collectively, the conferences’ documents showed that three commissioners who served for the entire 2020 calendar year took significant total-pay reductions – the Pac-12’s Larry Scott, the Big 12’s Bob Bowlsby and the ACC’s John Swofford.

                                        MORE:SEC increased its revenue by $105 million in 2021, reaching a total of $833 million

                                        CASHING IN:What pandemic? These college coaches cashed in big.

                                        Jim Delany, who retired from the Big Ten in the middle of 2020, was credited with a net total of $4.7 million, including nearly $3 million that represented the third year’s worth of money from the more than $20 million in future bonuses for which he became eligible in July 2015 and the conference said he will be receiving over a 10-year span.

                                        The documents also showed that the conferences’ overall spending on lobbying nearly doubled to $2 million and spending on outside legal services more than doubled to nearly $23 million amid the Alston antitrust case and contentiousness surrounding athletes’ ability to make money from their name, image and likeness. The NCAA and the Power Five conferences combined to rack up more than $75 million in outside legal costs in fiscal 2021.

                                        On the revenue side, the ACC improved by nearly $82 million to a little more than $578 million, as its teams were set up to play 11 regular season games – 10 in conference play. Notre Dame played the 2020 football season as an ACC school rather than an independent, and it received a full revenue share rather the smaller amount it normally receives for participating in ACC sports other than football. The conference also was helped by continued growth of the ACC Network.

                                        The documents and comments from Big 12, Big Ten and Pac-12 officials provided insight into moves those conferences made to limit their revenue losses and/or preserve payouts to schools, even though there may be future impacts.

                                        For example, the Big Ten exercised a pre-existing option to sell 20% of its interest in the Big Ten Network to Fox, the company with which it has roughly shared ownership of the network since it was formed in 2006. The deal put about $100 million in cash or receivables on the Big Ten’s books, and the conference saidabout $3.5 million of that went to each of the 14 member schools in fiscal 2021.
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                                        That helped offset the TV revenue decline from what the conference said was a 47% decrease in overall football game inventory across all carriers that resulted from its decision to delay the start of the season and then cancelations that occurred during the season. The Big Ten does not specifically report TV revenue on its tax records, but what it terms “Sports Revenue” fell from nearly $678 million in fiscal 2020 to just over $583 million in 2021.

                                        Overall, the conference reported nearly $680 million in revenue for 2021, down from $769 million in 2020.

                                        But its reported payout to schools fell by much less – to $671 million in 2021, compared to $689 million in 2020. However, the 2021 payout does not take into account roughly $52 million that the schools had to pay back to the conference because the conference set up and financed a COVID testing program. In addition, Maryland and Rutgers received full revenue shares for the first time.

                                        Other conference-by-conference facts, figures and details:
                                        ACC


                                        Payouts to schools: Ranged from $35 million to $38.1 million. (In 2020, they ranged $30.9 million to $37 million, except for Notre Dame, which got $10.8 million.) The conference declined to comment on whether Notre Dame’s full participation in the 2020 football season resulted in an increase in TV rights fees. It said that the ACC Network was about 80% of full distribution in fiscal 2020, and reached full distribution in December 2021; this should result in increased revenue for fiscal 2022.

                                        Commissioner’s pay: Swofford credited with more than $3.6 million in total compensation for 2020 calendar year, down from just over $4 million in 2019.
                                        Big 12


                                        Payouts to schools: Ranged from $34.7 million to $36.5 million. (In 2020, they ranged from $37 million to $40.5 million.) To support payouts in 2021, the conference ran an operating deficit for the year of just less than $16 million, the second consecutive year in which it reported a deficit. The conference said it is on track to stay on budget for fiscal 2022.

                                        Commissioner’s pay: Bowlsby credited with nearly $3.1 million in total compensation for 2020 calendar year, down from $4.4 million in 2019. After getting bonuses of at least $450,000 in each of the previous seven years, Bowlsby received no bonus in 2020. The conference said that, in terms of base salary, he took a 10% decrease in May 2020, a 20% decrease from June through September, and 30% decrease from October 2020 to April 2021.
                                        Big Ten


                                        Payouts to schools: Ranged from $43.1 million to $49.1 million. (In 2020, they were about $54.3 million for each of its 12 longest-standing members, $27.6 million for Maryland and $11.4 million for Rutgers. Maryland and Rutgers also received loans from the conference.) Payouts to schools other than Maryland and Rutgers were helped by those two schools beginning to repay loans they had received while receiving smaller annual shares. Combined, they returned $29 million to the conference in fiscal 2021. They still owe $145 million, with most due from Maryland.

                                        Commissioner’s pay: Delany’s successor, Kevin Warren, was credited with nearly $3.5 million for 2020, his first full calendar year as commissioner.
                                        Pac-12


                                        Payouts to schools: See above. While they were the lowest among the Power Five by a significant margin, they could have been lower. The conference said distributors of the Pac-12 Networks paid their usual full amounts “even though there was a recognition that there would need to be a settlement due to the delivery of less football games.” The distributors took credits in fiscal 2022 “once it could be determined how much should be credited.”

                                        Commissioner’s pay: Scott, who has now departed, was credited with just over $3.7 million for the 2020 calendar year. That’s down from just over $4.6 million in 2019 and the first time he was credited with less than $4 million since 2013.

                                        His $750,000 bonus for 2020 was his lowest bonus since 2010, when he received $626,000. He continued to have the benefit of nearly $1.9 million loan from the conference.
                                        Posted a link up page which breaks down all of the revenue by school. Data from EADA (the official site).

                                        As to Michigan State's AD it's a tease about their calling going division-less a realignment.

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                                          Originally posted by JRsec* View Post

                                          Posted a link up page which breaks down all of the revenue by school. Data from EADA (the official site).

                                          As to Michigan State's AD it's a tease about their calling going division-less a realignment.
                                          https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...e%20conference.)



                                          Big Ten


                                          Payouts to schools: Ranged from $43.1 million to $49.1 million. (In 2020, they were about $54.3 million for each of its 12 longest-standing members, $27.6 million for Maryland and $11.4 million for Rutgers. Maryland and Rutgers also received loans from the conference.) Payouts to schools other than Maryland and Rutgers were helped by those two schools beginning to repay loans they had received while receiving smaller annual shares. Combined, they returned $29 million to the conference in fiscal 2021. They still owe $145 million, with most due from Maryland.

                                          Wouldn't you hate to be the person that was responsible to have extended Maryland credit?

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                                            Originally posted by XLance View Post

                                            Wouldn't you hate to be the person that was responsible to have extended Maryland credit?
                                            I guess there is always a risk when giving a loan. But, I’m fairly confident Maryland is good for it, even if they have to stop pretending their athletic department is financially independent from the rest of the university. Besides, I don’t think they would be able to find a biased and politically corrupt court, let alone be so brazen about being able to do so (sorry had to get a little p/a shot in), that would allow them to default.
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                                              Originally posted by XLance View Post

                                              https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...e%20conference.)



                                              Big Ten


                                              Payouts to schools: Ranged from $43.1 million to $49.1 million. (In 2020, they were about $54.3 million for each of its 12 longest-standing members, $27.6 million for Maryland and $11.4 million for Rutgers. Maryland and Rutgers also received loans from the conference.) Payouts to schools other than Maryland and Rutgers were helped by those two schools beginning to repay loans they had received while receiving smaller annual shares. Combined, they returned $29 million to the conference in fiscal 2021. They still owe $145 million, with most due from Maryland.

                                              Wouldn't you hate to be the person that was responsible to have extended Maryland credit?
                                              It's what happens when you feel you must act when your rival gets a new toy. SEC adds A&M and Missouri and they needed to make a splash. The SEC made a major acquisition in A&M and the B1G made news. One pays, one doesn't. I'm pretty sure that series of moves, and then Warren's knee jerk reaction to COVID are what sealed the deal on the SEC for Texas. The SEC had long been more appealing simply to keep much of the UT business model intact, but adding Rutgers and Maryland only increased the disadvantage of distance. Had the B1G added Kansas and Missouri they would have become somewhat of a more distance friendly possibility. And then when Warren took over and tanked the revenue on 14 schools without hearing them all out it absolutely destroyed any chance the Big 10 had.

                                              And what have they learned from it? Nada! They still lead with AAU, discount cultural, business, and political differences, and will make the same mistakes in pursuit of UNC, UVa, and Ga Tech.

                                              Maryland made the right move. The B1G didn't. Rutgers is a fine school, but Rutgers is as alien to the B1G image as Tulsa would be to the SEC.

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                                                Originally posted by JRsec* View Post

                                                It's what happens when you feel you must act when your rival gets a new toy. SEC adds A&M and Missouri and they needed to make a splash. The SEC made a major acquisition in A&M and the B1G made news. One pays, one doesn't. I'm pretty sure that series of moves, and then Warren's knee jerk reaction to COVID are what sealed the deal on the SEC for Texas. The SEC had long been more appealing simply to keep much of the UT business model intact, but adding Rutgers and Maryland only increased the disadvantage of distance. Had the B1G added Kansas and Missouri they would have become somewhat of a more distance friendly possibility. And then when Warren took over and tanked the revenue on 14 schools without hearing them all out it absolutely destroyed any chance the Big 10 had.

                                                And what have they learned from it? Nada! They still lead with AAU, discount cultural, business, and political differences, and will make the same mistakes in pursuit of UNC, UVa, and Ga Tech.

                                                Maryland made the right move. The B1G didn't. Rutgers is a fine school, but Rutgers is as alien to the B1G image as Tulsa would be to the SEC.
                                                Increasingly the ACC is learning that Notre Dame is not the cultural fit that they had hoped, the Irish are really much more suited to be in the B1G than the ACC.

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                                                  Originally posted by XLance View Post

                                                  Increasingly the ACC is learning that Notre Dame is not the cultural fit that they had hoped, the Irish are really much more suited to be in the B1G than the ACC.
                                                  What has caused the ACC to perceive ND this way?

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                                                    Nothing about any of this is set in stone yet...but movement is going to occur.
                                                    In recent weeks the local radio chatter seems to have shifted about OU and UT, saying that the move to the SEC doesn't look like it will occur until the 2025 season. But some have speculated that everything may be thrown up in the air before the move and that we may see a super conference before the current plan occurs.

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                                                      Originally posted by Deadeye View Post

                                                      What has caused the ACC to perceive ND this way?
                                                      Familiarity.

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                                                        Originally posted by XLance View Post

                                                        Familiarity.

                                                        What familiarity would that be? The only ACC schools with much of a history of playing Notre Dame in football are North Carolina, Georgia Tech, Miami and Pitt, and the latter two aren't exactly long time ACC stalwarts.

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                                                          Originally posted by JRsec* View Post

                                                          It's what happens when you feel you must act when your rival gets a new toy. SEC adds A&M and Missouri and they needed to make a splash. The SEC made a major acquisition in A&M and the B1G made news. One pays, one doesn't. I'm pretty sure that series of moves, and then Warren's knee jerk reaction to COVID are what sealed the deal on the SEC for Texas. The SEC had long been more appealing simply to keep much of the UT business model intact, but adding Rutgers and Maryland only increased the disadvantage of distance. Had the B1G added Kansas and Missouri they would have become somewhat of a more distance friendly possibility. And then when Warren took over and tanked the revenue on 14 schools without hearing them all out it absolutely destroyed any chance the Big 10 had.

                                                          And what have they learned from it? Nada! They still lead with AAU, discount cultural, business, and political differences, and will make the same mistakes in pursuit of UNC, UVa, and Ga Tech.

                                                          Maryland made the right move. The B1G didn't. Rutgers is a fine school, but Rutgers is as alien to the B1G image as Tulsa would be to the SEC.
                                                          With some limited knowledge how conference decisions are made, it is my understanding the presidents make them, even if it strongly disagrees with the commissioner’s recommendations. So whether the presidents (or enough of them) were emphatic about cancelling the football season, or Mr. Warren didn’t push hard enough, it was obviously a mistake. At the very least, they have delayed the season for a couple of weeks. If they felt by October it was still necessary to cancel the season, they could have done it then. By reversing their decision, they got egg on their faces and lost more games by having to restart operations.

                                                          I doubt they make the same mistake again. Mr. Warren was new on the job when this happened. Even Delany had a learning curve when he first became commissioner of the Big Ten, even with having commissioner experience. But he became an effective commissioner. Yes, I have doubts that Warren will follow similarly. We’ll know soon enough.

                                                          The SEC made a great move when they added A&M and Missouri, and hit a grand slam with OU and Texas. The Big Ten probably rushed when they added Maryland and Rutgers. Yes, the market thing was an excellent argument at the time, and perhaps they had and still have their eyes on future moves that might have helped with these additions. And if we make believe that there are sports other than football, which I like to do sometimes, the additions of Maryland (and even Rutgers now) looks good. But unless the Big Ten can at least hit a home run in the near term, they might as well wait until after some dust settles in the next couple of years, before they make any additions.

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                                                            Originally posted by Deadeye View Post

                                                            What has caused the ACC to perceive ND this way?
                                                            Because we're not a cultural fit. We are small and private but in reality the divide between us will continue to grow. We want access to the south for recruiting, so that has been about the only good thing. When we joined in full for a season our fan base HATED it.

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                                                              I think July 1, 2025, will be the day of the move. Too much additional money otherwise seems to be the dominant excuse in Texas.

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                                                                Originally posted by XOVERX View Post
                                                                I think July 1, 2025, will be the day of the move. Too much additional money otherwise seems to be the dominant excuse in Texas.
                                                                Some big shifts in college sports are playing out. Think 2023.

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                                                                  Originally posted by goldendomer View Post

                                                                  Because we're not a cultural fit. We are small and private but in reality the divide between us will continue to grow. We want access to the south for recruiting, so that has been about the only good thing. When we joined in full for a season our fan base HATED it.
                                                                  ND is a cultural fit and it's not debatable. You can hate your brothers and cousins and still be just like them.

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                                                                    Originally posted by John Swofford View Post

                                                                    ND is a cultural fit and it's not debatable. You can hate your brothers and cousins and still be just like them.
                                                                    I'm going to have to disagree with you Swoffie.
                                                                    Notre Dame is very mid-western. They don't like to be thought of that way, but they are.

                                                                    Academically? yes
                                                                    Small school? yes
                                                                    Attitude......Mid-western vs. Mid-Atlantic ? not even close

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                                                                      Originally posted by XOVERX View Post
                                                                      I think July 1, 2025, will be the day of the move. Too much additional money otherwise seems to be the dominant excuse in Texas.
                                                                      That date seems to be the general thought within the Oklahoma media but at this point they don't know anymore than us.
                                                                      A big unknown factor in the future is the potential of the super conferences...Waiting to see how that unfolds maybe part of the waiting game.
                                                                      It may also be prudent to wait on the possibility of new federal laws being passed in congress that may have an impact on realignment.

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                                                                        Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                        That date seems to be the general thought within the Oklahoma media but at this point they don't know anymore than us.
                                                                        A big unknown factor in the future is the potential of the super conferences...Waiting to see how that unfolds maybe part of the waiting game.
                                                                        It may also be prudent to wait on the possibility of new federal laws being passed in congress that may have an impact on realignment.

                                                                        More likely waiting on court rulings on pay for play. Congress isn't going to get involved in college sports, anything with winners and losers that don't fit neatly into red and blue boxes means it is too risky politically for people who care only about getting re-elected.

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                                                                          Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                          That date seems to be the general thought within the Oklahoma media but at this point they don't know anymore than us.
                                                                          A big unknown factor in the future is the potential of the super conferences...Waiting to see how that unfolds maybe part of the waiting game.
                                                                          It may also be prudent to wait on the possibility of new federal laws being passed in congress that may have an impact on realignment.
                                                                          You seem to be echoing JRsec. You two could both be right, I agree. Certainly, I hope you are right.

                                                                          My argument is that the only real realignment that the SEC might care about is the ACC. The B1G might care about key PAC schools (in addition to ACC schools), but I don't see the ACC crumbling before July 1, 2025. Hence, other than the B12 maybe adding a Memphis or a Boise, or a Utah State, I don't think any significant realignment will occur before 2025.

                                                                          It follows in my mind, therefore, that Congress will not get involved anytime soon. Congress has wars to fund, China to threaten, and vacations to take. So I'm not thinking Congress is a factor before 2025. Maybe if the PAC falls, possibly then.

                                                                          If I'm right about the ACC cohering, to repeat, that leaves only the PAC that appears vulnerable right now today. Maybe the B1G gets involved with a PAC breakaway before 2025, but I don't personally feel it. This is a hunch, though, so, truth is, idk.

                                                                          Which leads us to money. Unless Texas and Oklahoma can make more than roughly $75M by joining the SEC in 2023 (or 2024), where's the upside for either Texas or Oklahoma in leaving early and paying the additional penalty? I don't see it. Plus, neither Texas nor Oklahoma have given the contractually required 18-month intent to leave (other than on July 1, 2025).

                                                                          I can't speak for Oklahoma, but it looks to me like Texas has turned its departure date over to the bean counters. The bean counters seem to claim the cyphering calculates to 2025, staunch the additional $ outflow to the B12.

                                                                          Things change. Or I could be way off base.

                                                                          In the meantime, either Texas or Oklahoma needs to grab the B12 championship back this year. Give the other eight a championship and they go militantly megalomaniac. We need to calm their asses back down, lol.

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                                                                            Originally posted by XLance View Post

                                                                            I'm going to have to disagree with you Swoffie.
                                                                            Notre Dame is very mid-western. They don't like to be thought of that way, but they are.

                                                                            Academically? yes
                                                                            Small school? yes
                                                                            Attitude......Mid-western vs. Mid-Atlantic ? not even close
                                                                            Don't you mean Northern Mid-Western to be specific? Their Catholic and football sense says head South where Catholic populations are growing and recruits abound. Their so northwestern Indiana they are almost in Michigan geography screams no. The culture clash is within them and until an exorcism drives one of the conflicting spirits out they will remain tormented.

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                                                                              So what kind of relationship do you all see with the XFL and college football now that they are partners with the NFL and have a legit TV deal?

                                                                              Seems like it might be an option for some kids who don't want to go to school. Between NIL and 2 legitimate pro leagues in the USFL and XFL these kids have several options.

                                                                              https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...pn/9819919002/

                                                                              XFL agrees to five-year deal with ESPN, Disney to broadcast all games

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                                                                              The XFL has signed a multi-year agreement with ESPN and The Walt Disney Company, giving the network exclusive broadcasting rights for all gameday content starting in 2023 through the 2027 season, the league announced Tuesday.

                                                                              The league is set to begin on Feb. 18, 2023 with a 40-game regular season, two playoff games and one championship. The games will premiere on ESPN, ABC and FX.

                                                                              “This is a definitive moment for the XFL and the beginning of an incredible, long-term partnership for the league, building on my longstanding, very successful legacy relationship I’ve had with Disney throughout my career," XFL co-owner Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson said in a league statement. "We’re excited to be working with global visionaries that are aligned with the XFL’s values, are true team players and share our ambitious goals to grow the XFL as a global sports and entertainment business. Through the combined power of Disney, ESPN and the XFL, together we will create a new powerhouse on the sports calendar and bring a dynamic game of football to fans everywhere. Time to ball out.”

                                                                              The deal also includes content rights for Disney's digital and social platforms as well as streaming outlets, like ESPN+.

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                                                                                Originally posted by XOVERX View Post

                                                                                You seem to be echoing JRsec. You two could both be right, I agree. Certainly, I hope you are right.

                                                                                My argument is that the only real realignment that the SEC might care about is the ACC. The B1G might care about key PAC schools (in addition to ACC schools), but I don't see the ACC crumbling before July 1, 2025. Hence, other than the B12 maybe adding a Memphis or a Boise, or a Utah State, I don't think any significant realignment will occur before 2025.

                                                                                It follows in my mind, therefore, that Congress will not get involved anytime soon. Congress has wars to fund, China to threaten, and vacations to take. So I'm not thinking Congress is a factor before 2025. Maybe if the PAC falls, possibly then.

                                                                                If I'm right about the ACC cohering, to repeat, that leaves only the PAC that appears vulnerable right now today. Maybe the B1G gets involved with a PAC breakaway before 2025, but I don't personally feel it. This is a hunch, though, so, truth is, idk.

                                                                                Which leads us to money. Unless Texas and Oklahoma can make more than roughly $75M by joining the SEC in 2023 (or 2024), where's the upside for either Texas or Oklahoma in leaving early and paying the additional penalty? I don't see it. Plus, neither Texas nor Oklahoma have given the contractually required 18-month intent to leave (other than on July 1, 2025).

                                                                                I can't speak for Oklahoma, but it looks to me like Texas has turned its departure date over to the bean counters. The bean counters seem to claim the cyphering calculates to 2025, staunch the additional $ outflow to the B12.

                                                                                Things change. Or I could be way off base.

                                                                                In the meantime, either Texas or Oklahoma needs to grab the B12 championship back this year. Give the other eight a championship and they go militantly megalomaniac. We need to calm their asses back down, lol.
                                                                                lol I see you practicing riding OU's coattails in preparation to ride Bama's coattails, funny stuff.

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                                                                                  Originally posted by hiphopfroggy View Post

                                                                                  lol I see you practicing riding OU's coattails in preparation to ride Bama's coattails, funny stuff.
                                                                                  I know, I know, sucks to be me, lol.

                                                                                  Let's see, Texas won the first B12 C-ship. Then we won in our NC year in 2005. We had a third one in there somewhere.

                                                                                  Hell, BU's had as many as Texas, lol.

                                                                                  So, yeah, it's an OU board so I'll take a free ride.

                                                                                  How many C-ships has TCU had? I forget.

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                                                                                    Originally posted by XOVERX View Post

                                                                                    You seem to be echoing JRsec. You two could both be right, I agree. Certainly, I hope you are right.

                                                                                    My argument is that the only real realignment that the SEC might care about is the ACC. The B1G might care about key PAC schools (in addition to ACC schools), but I don't see the ACC crumbling before July 1, 2025. Hence, other than the B12 maybe adding a Memphis or a Boise, or a Utah State, I don't think any significant realignment will occur before 2025.

                                                                                    It follows in my mind, therefore, that Congress will not get involved anytime soon. Congress has wars to fund, China to threaten, and vacations to take. So I'm not thinking Congress is a factor before 2025. Maybe if the PAC falls, possibly then.

                                                                                    If I'm right about the ACC cohering, to repeat, that leaves only the PAC that appears vulnerable right now today. Maybe the B1G gets involved with a PAC breakaway before 2025, but I don't personally feel it. This is a hunch, though, so, truth is, idk.

                                                                                    Which leads us to money. Unless Texas and Oklahoma can make more than roughly $75M by joining the SEC in 2023 (or 2024), where's the upside for either Texas or Oklahoma in leaving early and paying the additional penalty? I don't see it. Plus, neither Texas nor Oklahoma have given the contractually required 18-month intent to leave (other than on July 1, 2025).

                                                                                    I can't speak for Oklahoma, but it looks to me like Texas has turned its departure date over to the bean counters. The bean counters seem to claim the cyphering calculates to 2025, staunch the additional $ outflow to the B12.

                                                                                    Things change. Or I could be way off base.

                                                                                    In the meantime, either Texas or Oklahoma needs to grab the B12 championship back this year. Give the other eight a championship and they go militantly megalomaniac. We need to calm their asses back down, lol.
                                                                                    I very rarely ever read any of the post that JRsec makes...Whatever similarities are entirely coincidental.

                                                                                    I'm pretty sure the bean counters were active at OU all along. The bean counters have always been a very major part of every OU administrative decision. This is one reason why I have always said to follow the money...Actually the biggest money...This is why the super conferences may be so appealing.

                                                                                    The high price of oil & NG will create donors flush with cash at OU, UT and A&M. This might have an impact?

                                                                                    There are lobbying efforts with members of congress on this issue...I have no idea on its outcome. The courts could well be a bigger deciding factor as slice 1900 suggest ...Still so many unknown's.
                                                                                    Originally posted by slice1900 View Post


                                                                                    More likely waiting on court rulings on pay for play. Congress isn't going to get involved in college sports, anything with winners and losers that don't fit neatly into red and blue boxes means it is too risky politically for people who care only about getting re-elected.

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                                                                                      Originally posted by OU48A View Post
                                                                                      I very rarely ever read any of the post that JRsec makes...Whatever similarities are entirely coincidental.

                                                                                      I'm pretty sure the bean counters were active at OU all along. The bean counters have always been a very major part of every OU administrative decision. This is one reason why I have always said to follow the money...Actually the biggest money...This is why the super conferences may be so appealing.

                                                                                      The high price of oil & NG will create donors flush with cash at OU, UT and A&M. This might have an impact?

                                                                                      There are lobbying efforts with members of congress on this issue...I have no idea on its outcome. The courts could well be a bigger deciding factor as slice 1900 suggest ...Still so many unknown's.
                                                                                      That's okay I seldom listen to know nothing blowhards, shills, and fake insiders. Some kind of stronger consolidation is coming and is likely being hammered out now in what always seems to be the dead time of Summer. Whether all or some of the P5 breakaway to fully monetize basketball is yet to be determined.

                                                                                      For those following the SEC holding expanded playoffs I merely offer this food for thought; should ESPN buy all B12 rights and essentially organize an expanded playoff between the ACC, NB12, and SEC what could the B1G and PAC 12 do to stop it? Nada!

                                                                                      I don't think people fully grasp this potential. Only 2 schools outside of that group have won a national championship in the past 25 plus years, USC & Ohio St. Should ESPN also sign USC to an independent contract you can make that just Ohio State. Would, could, the Buckeyes subsequently decide to join? Likely not. Would they suffer for their loyalty? Yep!

                                                                                      The legitimacy of a championship won by a collection of schools which account for 22 of the last 25 national championships is undeniable compared to a group which has won 3 with just 2 schools. Therein resides the likelihood, benefit, and leverage of such a move. The window exists for the PAC and B1G to get on board, but not with their suck buddy the NCAA!

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                                                                                        Originally posted by JRsec* View Post

                                                                                        Don't you mean Northern Mid-Western to be specific? Their Catholic and football sense says head South where Catholic populations are growing and recruits abound. Their so northwestern Indiana they are almost in Michigan geography screams no. The culture clash is within them and until an exorcism drives one of the conflicting spirits out they will remain tormented.
                                                                                        It may be the fans more so than the institution.

                                                                                        My son-in-law grew up in Akron, played football for the Zips. He along with the rest of his family moved to Greensboro over 20 years ago, but you just can't cleanse the Ohio State out of the whole bunch. It's a shame. They keep giving my grandchildren Ohio State t-shirts and the like...disgusting.
                                                                                        My son-in law's parents are great people, we see them often, but they are different, even after being here all of this time. Culture.

                                                                                        The problem with growth is culture clash. There are a lot of B1G graduates that have moved into the Raleigh area because of RTP. In fact there are more Catholics in Raleigh than Baptists. Weird. Sometimes change is NOT good, but it is true that familiarity breeds contempt.
                                                                                        Those upper mid-western people are different, not what you would refer to as genteel.

                                                                                        We probably can put up with the school, I'm not sure about their fans.

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                                                                                          Originally posted by RealignmentFan View Post

                                                                                          And? I’m missing what you’re say here.

                                                                                          The ACC is not the SEC, right?
                                                                                          I read it as XLance thinking JR was talking about Kansas not wanting to go to the SEC with WVU, but JR was talking about Kansas not wanting to go to the ACC. Correct?

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                                                                                            Originally posted by OU48A View Post
                                                                                            I very rarely ever read any of the post that JRsec makes...Whatever similarities are entirely coincidental.

                                                                                            I'm pretty sure the bean counters were active at OU all along. The bean counters have always been a very major part of every OU administrative decision. This is one reason why I have always said to follow the money...Actually the biggest money...This is why the super conferences may be so appealing.

                                                                                            The high price of oil & NG will create donors flush with cash at OU, UT and A&M. This might have an impact?

                                                                                            There are lobbying efforts with members of congress on this issue...I have no idea on its outcome. The courts could well be a bigger deciding factor as slice 1900 suggest ...Still so many unknown's.
                                                                                            The oil and gas industry, self-evidently, has created the rise of civilization as we know it today, including the small part of life we all love on this board: college football.

                                                                                            But O&G also has it’s unique misfortune in the undermining of the civilization it created. No matter, though, since the energy created by O&G now costs more to produce per KwH of electricity than that of of solar. Thank goodness for capitalism, lol.

                                                                                            In fact, solar electricity is cheaper to produce than O&G, hydro, nuclear, and every other generation of electron flow. I sometimes feel like the cat that ate the canary as my personal infrastructure includes electric transportation, solar, and powerwalls, meaning my cost of transportation and home electricity is $15/mo (grid connection), the price of gasoline or electricity be damned.

                                                                                            Given the economics of electricity - and so long as war does not destroy us all - the influence of O&G will increasingly wane, to include those in that industry who love football. However, that day is not today (even if today is not far from tomorrow).

                                                                                            I also see no pending litigation on the horizon that influences the existing parameters of college athletics, and thus, realignment, which is not to say that such litigation is precluded.

                                                                                            If an “outside” condition might affect realignment in the near term, other than Ukraine or China turning nuclear, I can only think of NIL, or, possibly, the portal.

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                                                                                              Originally posted by XOVERX View Post

                                                                                              The oil and gas industry, self-evidently, has created the rise of civilization as we know it today, including the small part of life we all love on this board: college football.

                                                                                              But O&G also has it’s unique misfortune in the undermining of the civilization it created. No matter, though, since the energy created by O&G now costs more to produce per KwH of electricity than that of of solar. Thank goodness for capitalism, lol.

                                                                                              In fact, solar electricity is cheaper to produce than O&G, hydro, nuclear, and every other generation of electron flow. I sometimes feel like the cat that ate the canary as my personal infrastructure includes electric transportation, solar, and powerwalls, meaning my cost of transportation and home electricity is $15/mo (grid connection), the price of gasoline or electricity be damned.

                                                                                              Given the economics of electricity - and so long as war does not destroy us all - the influence of O&G will increasingly wane, to include those in that industry who love football. However, that day is not today (even if today is not far from tomorrow).

                                                                                              I also see no pending litigation on the horizon that influences the existing parameters of college athletics, and thus, realignment, which is not to say that such litigation is precluded.

                                                                                              If an “outside” condition might affect realignment in the near term, other than Ukraine or China turning nuclear, I can only think of NIL, or, possibly, the portal.
                                                                                              Pay for play will narrow the field and adjust for fewer high school participants. It's higher ed which is in for a major culling. Realignment is just a positioning for exposure to draw enrollment and pay for play and NIL a means of culling the herd. As for energy solar and wind will eventually give way anti-polarity propulsion and who knows if we are lucky maybe cold fusion powers the grid.

                                                                                              But be careful Xoverx you might get mistaken for Matthew or Beto! The only Horn I miss is Nanci!

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                                                                                                Originally posted by XOVERX View Post

                                                                                                The oil and gas industry, self-evidently, has created the rise of civilization as we know it today, including the small part of life we all love on this board: college football.

                                                                                                But O&G also has it’s unique misfortune in the undermining of the civilization it created. No matter, though, since the energy created by O&G now costs more to produce per KwH of electricity than that of of solar. Thank goodness for capitalism, lol.

                                                                                                In fact, solar electricity is cheaper to produce than O&G, hydro, nuclear, and every other generation of electron flow. I sometimes feel like the cat that ate the canary as my personal infrastructure includes electric transportation, solar, and powerwalls, meaning my cost of transportation and home electricity is $15/mo (grid connection), the price of gasoline or electricity be damned.

                                                                                                Given the economics of electricity - and so long as war does not destroy us all - the influence of O&G will increasingly wane, to include those in that industry who love football. However, that day is not today (even if today is not far from tomorrow).

                                                                                                I also see no pending litigation on the horizon that influences the existing parameters of college athletics, and thus, realignment, which is not to say that such litigation is precluded.

                                                                                                If an “outside” condition might affect realignment in the near term, other than Ukraine or China turning nuclear, I can only think of NIL, or, possibly, the portal.
                                                                                                By restricting its supply's and delivery, the price of oil & NG and its products and to an extent even electricity is being kept deliberately higher than what a true free market would allow for. Many months ago some of the current decision makers said they would do this and they have.

                                                                                                Energy sources like wind and solar are subsidized at far higher rate per BTU of energy equivalent. In a true free market where winners and losers were not chosen neither would be cost competitive. Moreover wind and solar are NOT reliable. They are intermittent. Our increased exposer to both has made our electrical supply much less reliable in Oklahoma, Texas and other states.

                                                                                                Wind largely failed 2 winters ago in Texas and Oklahoma. Bad NG regulations compounded the problem. The failures caused long black outs / rolling blackouts and a significant number of deaths. It was the largest insurance event in the history of the state of Texas. It was as cold as -12 with -28 windchills in Norman. I shoveled snow off my driveway to the dept of 3 to 4 feet deep.

                                                                                                Even with wide scale battery-powered back up...there are not enough minerals on the face of the earth for full scale adoption of reliable electrification and many of the so-called green energy ideas ..even if it makes sense in some cases. Most of the minerals needed for electrification have become far more expensive, dramatically driving up input cost.

                                                                                                I strongly favor nuclear electrical power.

                                                                                                I don't begrudge any individual who purchases energy saving / producing device's while taking advantage of tax laws and rebates that generally improves personal energy security...I have done some of this my self with a geothermal home heat and air system. I currently have an EPA qualifying Bio mass heat supplement device on order.

                                                                                                On solar panels. Most that I have seen in recent months have suffered serious hail damage. Very large hail is not uncommon on the great plains including in Norman where we had 2 hail events of baseball to softball size hail with a few reports of larger than ruby red grapefruit that cracked bricks on homes and crash though roofs and ceilings.
                                                                                                I don't think solar panels will ever be widely adopted on the great plains regardless of price.

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                                                                                                  Originally posted by XOVERX View Post

                                                                                                  I know, I know, sucks to be me, lol.

                                                                                                  Let's see, Texas won the first B12 C-ship. Then we won in our NC year in 2005. We had a third one in there somewhere.

                                                                                                  Hell, BU's had as many as Texas, lol.

                                                                                                  So, yeah, it's an OU board so I'll take a free ride.

                                                                                                  How many C-ships has TCU had? I forget.
                                                                                                  lol UT fans cheering for OU to win the Big 12 tells us everything we need to know.

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                                                                                                    Originally posted by EdwordL View Post

                                                                                                    I read it as XLance thinking JR was talking about Kansas not wanting to go to the SEC with WVU, but JR was talking about Kansas not wanting to go to the ACC. Correct?
                                                                                                    JR claimed that he had heard that Carolina people were talking about the ACC taking both Kansas and West Virginia. I had not heard this, and Kansas makes no sense for the ACC.
                                                                                                    JR has claimed multiple times that Kansas to the SEC was a possibility. The one thing that the SEC does need is another basketball power to play off of Kentucky. Kansas/Kentucky could become the Duke/Carolina of the SEC (of course Dodds claimed that Texas/Kansas was going to become the Duke/Carolina of the Big 12....how did that work out?).

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                                                                                                      Originally posted by XLance View Post

                                                                                                      JR claimed that he had heard that Carolina people were talking about the ACC taking both Kansas and West Virginia. I had not heard this, and Kansas makes no sense for the ACC.
                                                                                                      JR has claimed multiple times that Kansas to the SEC was a possibility. The one thing that the SEC does need is another basketball power to play off of Kentucky. Kansas/Kentucky could become the Duke/Carolina of the SEC (of course Dodds claimed that Texas/Kansas was going to become the Duke/Carolina of the Big 12....how did that work out?).
                                                                                                      You cannot manufacture history. UK-KU has not even a hint of real history. You'd have to make the states border and then have them play at least 3 times per year for 50 years for that 'rivalry' to matter in a big way.

                                                                                                      KU-Mizzou does not matter much even with history because Mizzou has not been good enough. KU-K-St does not matter much for the same reason. KU aint worth close to what Mr Vampire Capitalist asserts. The SEC is so bereft of basketball history and loyal fans that KU would be a huge upgrade for the SEC even without having a single rivalry that matters nationally.

                                                                                                      KU by itself would be of no value to the ACC.

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