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    2021 could be the National Championship #8 year . But what are this team’s weaknesses ? Any glaring needs ? And how do we stack up against Alabama or Clemson or Ohio state ?
    am very comfortable about the QB situation and the defense is legit .
    Any input on any areas of need need or weakness ?

    #2
    Offensive line is the biggest weakness IMHO.
    Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

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      #3
      The Big 12 conference is the biggest weakness. It's why we won't know how we stack up against Bama and Clemson until we play them.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Stinger_1066 View Post
        Offensive line is the biggest weakness IMHO.
        Sounds strange doesn’t it , after all these years of this being the team’s strength . Hopefully bedenbaugh has them ready .

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          #5
          Originally posted by Sunerphan View Post
          The Big 12 conference is the biggest weakness. It's why we won't know how we stack up against Bama and Clemson until we play them.
          Texas should be better this year . Sad to see Nebraska so down as it was the featured out of conference game , but probably Tulane will be a stiffer test .

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            #6
            Originally posted by Basel90 View Post

            Sounds strange doesn’t it , after all these years of this being the team’s strength . Hopefully bedenbaugh has them ready .
            And though I called the OL a weakness, doesn't mean I don't think they can be good. They have the potential, but they need to show it.
            Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

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              #7
              Originally posted by Sunerphan View Post
              The Big 12 conference is the biggest weakness. It's why we won't know how we stack up against Bama and Clemson until we play them.
              Yep, that is why us being ranked #1 in the ESPN power poll is fool's gold / rat poison. We have to prove ourselves before we accept a ranking like that.

              Bama, Clemson and Ohio State may in fact be somewhat down this year due to losing a lot of proven talent to the NFL, but we know they don't rebuild, they just reload. All three remain formidable.
              Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

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                #8
                Originally posted by Sunerphan View Post
                The Big 12 conference is the biggest weakness. It's why we won't know how we stack up against Bama and Clemson until we play them.

                It didn't hurt Florida St. when they first started in the ACC and it didn't hurt Miami when they were in the Big East conference. A team either has what it takes coaching and talent wise or they don't.

                OU has a far better chance of beating an Alabama with a proper level of talent playing on a weak schedule than they do facing tougher competition in the regular season with a lesser level of talent.

                When Texas won the national title on the 2005, they played in one of the weakest Big 12 seasons ever yet they won it all because they had a very talented QB and a talented enough team overall.
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                  #9
                  I think the offensive line will be better than the past two seasons but it will take 5 or so games to get there. To me, the chemistry of the offensive line sucked the past two seasons for various reasons.

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                    #10
                    Our kyrponite is OUr compliance department. What Bridges and McGowen did would earn them starting positions at Alabama. Ask Soonergrad, he will confirm.

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                      #11
                      Prior to Perkins returning, the defense was average. Let’s see if someone steps in as a good replacement

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by zcaa0g View Post


                        It didn't hurt Florida St. when they first started in the ACC and it didn't hurt Miami when they were in the Big East conference. A team either has what it takes coaching and talent wise or they don't.

                        OU has a far better chance of beating an Alabama with a proper level of talent playing on a weak schedule than they do facing tougher competition in the regular season with a lesser level of talent.

                        When Texas won the national title on the 2005, they played in one of the weakest Big 12 seasons ever yet they won it all because they had a very talented QB and a talented enough team overall.
                        OUr problem/solution has always been talent. The previous OU playoff teams had top 10-15 classes. Unfortunately, that will generally lose to top 5 talent if there is no coaching advantage

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by OUrage View Post
                          Our kyrponite is OUr compliance department. What Bridges and McGowen did would earn them starting positions at Alabama. Ask Soonergrad, he will confirm.
                          OU is the only school in the nation that turns their own players in for smoking pot. Somebody name me another school who had players busted for pot lately? Of the thousands of players that play college football only 3 players from OU get busted for pot.

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                            #14
                            College football top 25 rankings: 247Sports votes new order after spring practice


                            1. Alabama

                            2. Oklahoma

                            The Sooners were the only team in three versions of the 247Sports poll to receive a first-place vote. Alabama, however, took a unanimous No. 1 spot after National Signing Day, and remains up top after the spring. For Oklahoma, spring and the offseason brought plenty of excitement to Norman. The Sooners added multiple key talents via the transfer portal, and the hype around Spencer Rattler is as strong as ever heading into his second full season as the starter. Rattler threw for 3,031 yards, 28 touchdowns and seven picks last season, and is among the 2021 leaders to win the Heisman Trophy. Can he follow names like Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray and Jalen Hurts by leading OU to the College Football Playoff?

                            Note: Ballots were submitted prior to the confirmation of Trejan Bridges and Seth McGowan dismissals.


                            3. Clemson

                            4. Ohio State

                            5. Georgia

                            6. Iowa State

                            Losing in the Big 12 Championship Game last season, Iowa State carries perhaps its highest expectations to date when it comes to 2021. After another flurry of NFL flirtations, coach Matt Campbell returns with a new deal, and Iowa State has quarterback Brock Purdy ready for another ride. Purdy compiled 19 touchdowns and 2,750 passing yards last season, including Fiesta Bowl MVP honors in a win over Oregon. The Cyclones have a legitimate Heisman Trophy candidate back in Breece Hall, who finished in the top six of last year’s voting as one of the nation’s best rushers. A former 247Sports Composite four-star recruit, Hall now has 2,469 rushing yards and 30 touchdowns in his first two seasons.


                            7. North Carolina

                            8. Texas A&M

                            9. Oregon

                            10. Notre Dame




                            19. Texas — The Longhorns enter a new era with Steve Sarkisian locked in as head coach following a national title at Alabama as offensive coordinator. After Bijan Robinson went for 443 total yards and six touchdowns in the final two games of last season, how dangerous can he be in the Sarkisian system? The Longhorns went 7-3 in Tom Herman's last season. The Sarkisian era begins with a top-25 meeting against Billy Napier and Louisiana, followed by Arkansas and Rice before Big 12 play begins against Texas Tech.




                            25. Oklahoma State — The Cowboys and coach Mike Gundy snag the final spot. Oklahoma State finished 24th in the pre-spring edition of the poll, getting passed by the Ragin' Cajuns for that spot heading into the summer. Oklahoma State went 8-3 last season, finishing with a Cheez-It Bowl victory over Miami.






                            https://247sports.com/LongFormArticl.../#165179474_17

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                              #15
                              Weak spot(s)= WR's who can block, O-Line that can help our RBs get the 3-4 yards needed for a critical 1st down, RB depth. I see all these as weaknesses. Gray goes down, who will be he short-yardage back? O-Line can't do it's job, drives stall, and if OU finds itself behind in a game against a stout defensive front seven, game over. OU's WR's don't help turn those 4-5 yard gains into 15-20 yard gains or a 10 yard slant into a TD, it makes the offense have to work harder and puts more pressure on the defense, not to mention giving more "MO" to the opponent. Need all these things to happen, or IMO, #8 aint happening.

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                                #16
                                Originally posted by Longcrawler View Post
                                Weak spot(s)= WR's who can block, O-Line that can help our RBs get the 3-4 yards needed for a critical 1st down, RB depth. I see all these as weaknesses. Gray goes down, who will be he short-yardage back? O-Line can't do it's job, drives stall, and if OU finds itself behind in a game against a stout defensive front seven, game over. OU's WR's don't help turn those 4-5 yard gains into 15-20 yard gains or a 10 yard slant into a TD, it makes the offense have to work harder and puts more pressure on the defense, not to mention giving more "MO" to the opponent. Need all these things to happen, or IMO, #8 aint happening.
                                Do we have any "strong spots" on offense?

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by M40 View Post
                                  Prior to Perkins returning, the defense was average. Let’s see if someone steps in as a good replacement

                                  That's a valid concern. With that said, it was very clear there was a significant difference in DB play even in one on one situations when pressure up front failed. Hopefully, Redmond will live up to his prep credentials along with others to soften the blow up front from the loss of Perkins.

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                                    #18
                                    The third quarter lapse is their most glaring weakness. Hopefully Riley can figure that out.

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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by TheRainKing View Post
                                      The third quarter lapse is their most glaring weakness. Hopefully Riley can figure that out.
                                      Riley can only do so much, maybe it's time for the players to decide if they want to play hard the whole game or not.

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by Sunerphan View Post
                                        The Big 12 conference is the biggest weakness. It's why we won't know how we stack up against Bama and Clemson until we play them.
                                        Clemson basically cake walks into the playoff every year

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post

                                          Riley can only do so much, maybe it's time for the players to decide if they want to play hard the whole game or not.

                                          A valid point, but we have seen this across multiple classes now, which goes back to the source of the problem.

                                          With that said, that's where a greatly improved defense can come into the picture. When OU does have that 3rd quarter offensive lapse, maybe the defense can get a turnover or provide good field position for the offense to get them going again.

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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by smusooner View Post

                                            Clemson basically cake walks into the playoff every year
                                            ^This. A weak conference is the old double edge sword. It provides a much higher chance of get into the CFP, but it won't prepare the team for that elite competition. Clemson has shown the disadvantage can be overcome.

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Velo Sooner View Post

                                              ^This. A weak conference is the old double edge sword. It provides a much higher chance of get into the CFP, but it won't prepare the team for that elite competition. Clemson has shown the disadvantage can be overcome.
                                              After the Georgia game, Clemson has a cake walk to the playoffs.


                                              Sat, Sep 4 vs Georgia *
                                              Sat, Sep 11 vs South Carolina State
                                              Sat, Sep 18 vs Georgia Tech
                                              Sat, Sep 25 @ NC State
                                              Sat, Oct 2 vs Boston College
                                              Fri, Oct 15 @ Syracuse
                                              Sat, Oct 23 @ Pittsburgh
                                              Sat, Oct 30 vs Florida State
                                              Sat, Nov 6 @ Louisville
                                              Sat, Nov 13 vs UConn
                                              Sat, Nov 20 vs Wake Forest
                                              Sat, Nov 27 @ South Carolina

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post

                                                After the Georgia game, Clemson has a cake walk to the playoffs.


                                                Sat, Sep 4 vs Georgia *
                                                Sat, Sep 11 vs South Carolina State
                                                Sat, Sep 18 vs Georgia Tech
                                                Sat, Sep 25 @ NC State
                                                Sat, Oct 2 vs Boston College
                                                Fri, Oct 15 @ Syracuse
                                                Sat, Oct 23 @ Pittsburgh
                                                Sat, Oct 30 vs Florida State
                                                Sat, Nov 6 @ Louisville
                                                Sat, Nov 13 vs UConn
                                                Sat, Nov 20 vs Wake Forest
                                                Sat, Nov 27 @ South Carolina
                                                Yep, and OUr schedule isn't much tougher and OUr toughest predicted game (ISU) doesn't have the talent of UGA. OU and Clemson have no excuses for not making the big dance this season

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Velo Sooner View Post

                                                  Yep, and OUr schedule isn't much tougher and OUr toughest predicted game (ISU) doesn't have the talent of UGA. OU and Clemson have no excuses for not making the big dance this season
                                                  Sportsbettingdime.com has OU at 38th toughest schedule while Clemson's cake walk is at 79th.

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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post

                                                    After the Georgia game, Clemson has a cake walk to the playoffs.


                                                    Sat, Sep 4 vs Georgia *
                                                    Sat, Sep 11 vs South Carolina State
                                                    Sat, Sep 18 vs Georgia Tech
                                                    Sat, Sep 25 @ NC State
                                                    Sat, Oct 2 vs Boston College
                                                    Fri, Oct 15 @ Syracuse
                                                    Sat, Oct 23 @ Pittsburgh
                                                    Sat, Oct 30 vs Florida State
                                                    Sat, Nov 6 @ Louisville
                                                    Sat, Nov 13 vs UConn
                                                    Sat, Nov 20 vs Wake Forest
                                                    Sat, Nov 27 @ South Carolina


                                                    Well, that's good Georgia and Clemson play the first week. The hype for one of them will over quick.

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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by BlownGP View Post



                                                      Well, that's good Georgia and Clemson play the first week. The hype for one of them will over quick.
                                                      If Clemson loses it will all be forgotten by the time the playoffs roll around and the committee will forgive them for losing that game. Just like they forgive them for playing one of the easiest schedules in the country year in and year out.

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                                                        #28
                                                        I’m trying not to get my hopes up, but man I really want to believe. I think we have several question marks though:

                                                        1) OL - lot of potential, but weakest link right now
                                                        2) DB - Need some young guys to set up
                                                        3) WR - again, lot of potential but outside of Mims we need some dudes to step up
                                                        4) If Brooks bounces that room is pretty thin

                                                        Every other team has question marks too & all of the above could quickly turn into strengths during Fall Camp.

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                                                          #29
                                                          This is one of if not the best OU team in 20 years. The issue is always that bama and Ohio state and Clemson have 3-6 first rounders on their rosters at all times now. It takes an exceptional coach or an exceptional QB to win against that. We know Riley isn’t a better coach than Day, Satan, or Dabo, so it’s going to come down to rattler and just how good he is.

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                                                            #30
                                                            I think we’re all a little scarred by dropping a game every year we shouldn’t. A game we’re double digit favorites in. It’s been a long time.

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                                                              #31
                                                              I definitely see you guys in the CFP this year. Your defense should be very good and we all know that has been the missing ingredient.

                                                              Also, take the over in Bama vs. Texas AM later this year after Jimbo's comments this week. I guarantee you Saban has that plastered all over the weight room.

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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by OrangeBeachBum68 View Post
                                                                I definitely see you guys in the CFP this year. Your defense should be very good and we all know that has been the missing ingredient.

                                                                Also, take the over in Bama vs. Texas AM later this year after Jimbo's comments this week. I guarantee you Saban has that plastered all over the weight room.


                                                                You guys better take a fucking horse dong and shove it up aggies ass! That said .... what were Jimbo’s comments? I missed them...

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post

                                                                  If Clemson loses it will all be forgotten by the time the playoffs roll around and the committee will forgive them for losing that game. Just like they forgive them for playing one of the easiest schedules in the country year in and year out.
                                                                  Yep. Might as well pull for Clemson in that game. UGA winning puts an early 2 SEC in the 4 spots talk from week 1.

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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by OUVarsityXV View Post
                                                                    I’m trying not to get my hopes up, but man I really want to believe. I think we have several question marks though:

                                                                    1) OL - lot of potential, but weakest link right now
                                                                    2) DB - Need some young guys to set up
                                                                    3) WR - again, lot of potential but outside of Mims we need some dudes to step up
                                                                    4) If Brooks bounces that room is pretty thin

                                                                    Every other team has question marks too & all of the above could quickly turn into strengths during Fall Camp.

                                                                    Weese had 530 receiving yards in a regular season where 3 less games were played between the non-conference games and the WVU game being canceled.

                                                                    Stogner at the TE spot missed even more games than that and had 422 receiving yards.

                                                                    OU also has a proven receiver coming in from Arkansas in Woods with 619 receiving yards.

                                                                    On top of Mims you mentioned who is in the great category, that's 3 additional solid pass catchers right there after Mims before you get to the remaining "potential" aspect.

                                                                    As far as the young DBs, they have already stepped up.

                                                                    OL is the big question. I think they will be improved over the last two seasons due to personnel changes, but we'll see.
                                                                    Last edited by zcaa0g; 05-09-2021, 09:05 PM.

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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by zcaa0g View Post


                                                                      Weese had 530 receiving yards in a regular season where 3 less games were played between the non-conference games and the WVU game being canceled.

                                                                      Stogner at the TE spot missed even more games than that and had 422 receiving yards.

                                                                      OU also has a proven receiver coming in from Arkansas in Woods with 619 receiving yards.

                                                                      On top of Mims you mentioned who is in the great category, that's 3 additional solid pass catchers right there after Mims before you get to the remaining "potential" aspect.

                                                                      As far as the young DBs, they have already stepped up.

                                                                      OL is the big question. I think they will be improved over the last two seasons due to personnel changes, but we'll see.
                                                                      Woods may be a proven receiver but is he a proven person? Time will tell.

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                                                                        #36
                                                                        Originally posted by RockFlagandEagle View Post

                                                                        Yep. Might as well pull for Clemson in that game. UGA winning puts an early 2 SEC in the 4 spots talk from week 1.
                                                                        Don't think ESPN won't be pounding that narrative until the committee bows to them.

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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by ChpThril View Post



                                                                          You guys better take a fucking horse dong and shove it up aggies ass! That said .... what were Jimbo’s comments? I missed them...
                                                                          He was speaking to an A&M booster club and said something like "We are going to beat Bama's ass."

                                                                          And Saban replied "At what? Golf?".


                                                                          After Texas A&M coach Jimbo Fisher ribbed his former boss by saying the Aggies would...
                                                                          Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Defense is the only reason OU hasn't won a title under Riley. This year, OU has a defense, and a QB with a year of experience under his belt.

                                                                            The OL is my only concern same as others have said--however, I expect drastic improvement with a REAL offseason to work. That group was absolutely screwed by Covid's impact on last preseason.

                                                                            If the OL improves like I expect, OU is going to shock people this year. I mean like hammering people along the way.

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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by OrangeBeachBum68 View Post
                                                                              I definitely see you guys in the CFP this year. Your defense should be very good and we all know that has been the missing ingredient.

                                                                              Also, take the over in Bama vs. Texas AM later this year after Jimbo's comments this week. I guarantee you Saban has that plastered all over the weight room.

                                                                              And Saban was already going to blow out ATM well before those comments. ATM has and always will be a glass pop gun no matter how good their recruiting classes are.

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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by RockFlagandEagle View Post

                                                                                Yep. Might as well pull for Clemson in that game. UGA winning puts an early 2 SEC in the 4 spots talk from week 1.
                                                                                For sure - this is almost a mulligan for Clemson. The only thing they have to do is not get blown out and if they do lose, it needs to appear as new QB mistakes or early season mistakes that could be corrected.

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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Velo Sooner View Post

                                                                                  For sure - this is almost a mulligan for Clemson. The only thing they have to do is not get blown out and if they do lose, it needs to appear as new QB mistakes or early season mistakes that could be corrected.
                                                                                  Hell with the SEC I wanna see Clemson skull-drag Georgia.

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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    It's finally time.

                                                                                    0-7 in NC and playoff games since 2000. OU is due.

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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by zcaa0g View Post


                                                                                      And Saban was already going to blow out ATM well before those comments. ATM has and always will be a glass pop gun no matter how good their recruiting classes are.
                                                                                      They are #1 in Texas in NFL players, attendance, TV ratings, and donations. UT has really fallen the last 10 years.

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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        COULD be.

                                                                                        I'm not holding my breath. Every year there's SOMETHING that holds the Sooners back - bad on one side of the ball, inexplicable loss, Riley going into a shell for no apparent reason, etc...Team looks to be OUr best in a while, but I can't help but get the same old feeling that the other shoe will drop at some point once they actually start playing games.

                                                                                        I would REALLY love to be wrong, but...

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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Originally posted by WTinOK View Post

                                                                                          They are #1 in Texas in NFL players, attendance, TV ratings, and donations. UT has really fallen the last 10 years.

                                                                                          Yet have nothing to show for it from a winning standpoint. Even their 1 loss season last season was a product of a very down year in the SEC.

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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by hhsmiley View Post
                                                                                            COULD be.

                                                                                            I'm not holding my breath. Every year there's SOMETHING that holds the Sooners back - bad on one side of the ball, inexplicable loss, Riley going into a shell for no apparent reason, etc...Team looks to be OUr best in a while, but I can't help but get the same old feeling that the other shoe will drop at some point once they actually start playing games.

                                                                                            I would REALLY love to be wrong, but...

                                                                                            A big part of that has been crap defense before last season followed by Riley's 3rd quarter play-calling. Maybe the defense will be good enough to overcome that.. Last season was well, 2020. Theoretically this will be their most complete team since 2003, but most of it hinges on the offensive line being much better than the past two seasons as they were erratic.

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by zcaa0g View Post


                                                                                              Weese had 530 receiving yards in a regular season where 3 less games were played between the non-conference games and the WVU game being canceled.

                                                                                              Stogner at the TE spot missed even more games than that and had 422 receiving yards.

                                                                                              OU also has a proven receiver coming in from Arkansas in Woods with 619 receiving yards.

                                                                                              On top of Mims you mentioned who is in the great category, that's 3 additional solid pass catchers right there after Mims before you get to the remaining "potential" aspect.

                                                                                              As far as the young DBs, they have already stepped up.

                                                                                              OL is the big question. I think they will be improved over the last two seasons due to personnel changes, but we'll see.
                                                                                              Mario will be this years Mimms. His speed is going to be special to watch. Don’t think we’ve had a guy like this since a Hollywood.

                                                                                              OL made improvements they last year but had talent issues, as well. I think we have the talent and prep to be a good unit this year. Especially if Raym steps up.

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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by zcaa0g View Post


                                                                                                Yet have nothing to show for it from a winning standpoint. Even their 1 loss season last season was a product of a very down year in the SEC.
                                                                                                Well they have twice the donations of OU, 20k boost in attendance the last 10 years #1 in Texas at over 100k, Bama, Auburn, and MSU(Leach) in town this year, more NFL players in the league, and lots of hype.

                                                                                                OU has Nebraska who will be lucky to win 3 games coming to Norman and a pile of turds from the B12. 80k seats with plenty of empty ones in the upper deck, fans who are not lining up for season tickets due to no good games, etc..

                                                                                                So yea, go OU. Fuck those aggies.

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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Originally posted by WTinOK View Post

                                                                                                  Well they have twice the donations of OU, 20k boost in attendance the last 10 years #1 in Texas at over 100k, Bama, Auburn, and MSU(Leach) in town this year, more NFL players in the league, and lots of hype.

                                                                                                  OU has Nebraska who will be lucky to win 3 games coming to Norman and a pile of turds from the B12. 80k seats with plenty of empty ones in the upper deck, fans who are not lining up for season tickets due to no good games, etc..

                                                                                                  So yea, go OU. Fuck those aggies.

                                                                                                  Let me know when ATM even makes the playoffs. We'll both die of old age before that happens.

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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by zcaa0g View Post


                                                                                                    Let me know when ATM even makes the playoffs. We'll both die of old age before that happens.
                                                                                                    So you moved the goal posts to making the playoff..

                                                                                                    OU and aTm have the same # of playoff wins.

                                                                                                    I wonder who will win one first.

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