NU @ OU 9/18 11am Fox

[WTinOK]

https://footballscoop.com/news/oklahoma-joe-castiglione-bitterly-disappointed-fox-11-am-kickoffs-big-noon-kickoff

FOX is clearly not courting OU to the B1G behind closed doors and then doing all this other stuff publicly.

[SoopaSooner]

Yeah, 11 CT is a big slot on Fox. Every one of our afternoon games is garbage. But if Fox insists on ignoring the Big 12 flagship’s requests for its recruits, fans, and local businesses, I don’t know if that’s going to pay off for them in the long run.

FOX cares more about their big money maker the NFL. They just want to dip their toes into CFB and are perfectly fine getting the scraps that ESPIN leaves out. There was a time they said FS1 would rival ESPIN and they gave up on that in a year.

[OU48A]

Yeah, 11 CT is a big slot on Fox. Every one of our afternoon games is garbage. But if Fox insists on ignoring the Big 12 flagship’s requests for its recruits, fans, and local businesses, I don’t know if that’s going to pay off for them in the long run.

It sure looks like they just don't care.
It could be they plan on leaving the Big 12 and or reducing their college football exposure

[kopp0e]

FOX is clearly not courting OU to the B1G behind closed doors and then doing all this other stuff publicly.

Well, its easy to argue ESPN is pursuing Oklahoma pretty heavily, (while taking a few jabs at FOX)...



The front page mentions the statement from Castiglione on the situation with the NU at OU contest...

[Pokej]

Fox has OSU playing a 8:00 game against Boise on FS1 that day.

[1bigfan13]

FOX is probably scared of that Florida-Alabama game that's set at 3:30 EST and the Auburn-Penn State night game, which is complete BS.

Nebraska-Oklahoma is a game that should be placed in that mid-afternoon slot. Especially with the extra meaning connected to this year's game. And it's not like these guys play every year. After this home and home series is up OU and Nebraska may not meet again for another 20 years.

FOX completely whiffed on this one.

I look forward to the day when the Big 12 finds another TV partner. Their current TV deals runs through 2025. After that deal is up I hope they can get something done with another network besides FOX. CBS loses the SEC in 2024, so the opportunity is there for another network to swoop in and carry the conference post-2025.

Also, it feels like the OU-Texas game has been perpetually stuck in the 11:00 AM slot since FOX took over broadcasting the game. When ESPN/ABC had the game we got a good share of mid-afternoon kickoffs. So that's yet another reason to look for a new partner because FOX clearly doesn't value the Big 12 conference's biggest and most high profile rivalry. They've shown us what they think of us so it's time to move on, IMO.

[Stinger_1066]

Do you really think we need the weather to help us beat Nebraska? LOL

I was hoping this would be a night game. Unfortunately, Nebraska sucks and they are not ready for prime time.

It doesn't have anything to do with Nebraska not being ready for prime time. Apparently you don't know how the TV contract works.

Fox got first choice of games for that week. They picked OU / Neb as their premier game of the week, which is always at 11 am CT.

That is why they use the BIG NOON branding.

Until you never whine about cold and night games under the guise of older fans. Your bed time show is almost on, the 6:00 news, hurry along now, don't forget your Depends before bed.

No matter which time slot we get, OU48A will find something to bitch about.

What I usually want to know is which games are so fucking important that day that they take precedence over ours. Granted, OU isn’t the only program that wants be on later time slots and they can’t bow down to us all the time... I’ve still seen some shittastic clunkers on primetime through the years when OU got the double high hard one (11).

Bama / Florida is the same day, as is Penn State / Auburn. Those are the only other big games I see besides ours. But it doesn't matter. Fox chose us as their marquee game, and they always schedule their marquee game for 11 am.

There are flights Friday if they skip their Friday night game which, if played in California, is over about 11:30 central time/9:30 Pacific. Then, wearing their high school gear, they go straight to LAX to board the midnight departure flight to OKC. Do any flights depart LAX at midnight bound for OKC? The recruit reaches Norman in the third quarter after which Rattler and Caleb Williams have made their appearances and the scout team is playing mop up duty with the fans heading for College Corner or the parking lot.

Unfortunately we have contractual obligations to the networks. They get to choose the time. We shouldn't be complaining about Fox making us their marquee game.

[TheBoots]

Better figure a way to keep all those recuits around after the game.

Lee Brice ain't it

[auto]

You just are not a emotionally stable person. You have got to be a female

Get back on you meds ol timer.

[Baer Creighton]

Fortunately most people don't build their lives around OU football. And that includes most all top college football recruits. But without doubt 11 am kickoffs are tough on recruits that have to travel 3-4 hours.

Let's say they got to travel 4 hours, they want to get to the stadium by 10:00 a.m., that means they have to leave their place by 6:00 a.m., what in the name of Goobers boogers is tough about that? I don't remember sleeping until I was 30, and don't remember being tired until I was 40. Old saying... "if you're gonna hoot with the owls you got to fly with the eagles.

[OrangeBeachBum68]

7]FOX is probably scared of that Florida-Alabama game that's set at 3:30 EST a[/B]nd the Auburn-Penn State night game, which is complete BS.

Nebraska-Oklahoma is a game that should be placed in that mid-afternoon slot. Especially with the extra meaning connected to this year's game. And it's not like these guys play every year. After this home and home series is up OU and Nebraska may not meet again for another 20 years.

FOX completely whiffed on this one.

I look forward to the day when the Big 12 finds another TV partner. Their current TV deals runs through 2025. After that deal is up I hope they can get something done with another network besides FOX. CBS loses the SEC in 2024, so the opportunity is there for another network to swoop in and carry the conference post-2025.

Also, it feels like the OU-Texas game has been perpetually stuck in the 11:00 AM slot since FOX took over broadcasting the game. When ESPN/ABC had the game we got a good share of mid-afternoon kickoffs. So that's yet another reason to look for a new partner because FOX clearly doesn't value the Big 12 conference's biggest and most high profile rivalry. They've shown us what they think of us so it's time to move on, IMO.

Probably this. With the game in Gainesville, Bama/Florida will be a huge draw throughout a major part of the country that day and Fox thinks they will get more eyeballs with you guys with an 11:oo am kick. Auburn/Penn State will probably be a very boring game with little interest outside of Pennsylvania and Alabama but it is probably the biggest intersectional game on the schedule for that day. It was a business decision using process of elimination on the part of Fox Sports.

[OU48A]

Get back on you meds ol timer.

You are not anything close to a normal well adjusted person.

[Just JK]

even Fox knows this is going to be over by halftime

this isn't the Nebraska of the 90's we're playing

[FtwTxSooner]

[Stinger_1066]

Probably this. With the game in Gainesville, Bama/Florida will be a huge draw throughout a major part of the country that day and Fox thinks they will get more eyeballs with you guys with an 11:oo am kick. Auburn/Penn State will probably be a very boring game with little interest outside of Pennsylvania and Alabama but it is probably the biggest intersectional game on the schedule for that day. It was a business decision using process of elimination on the part of Fox Sports.

Nothing was done special for this game.

Fox made the business decision a couple of years ago. Their marquee game of the day is always at noon ET.

[AppySooner]

Yes, it does make good business sense for Fox to do this, as long as they don't look any farther down the road than September.

[Stinger_1066]

Yes, it does make good business sense for Fox to do this, as long as they don't look any farther down the road than September.

Unfortunately their branding is BIG NOON.

[MichSooner]

You want us to go to the Big 10 where these early kickoffs are the norm. Ohio State plays more of them than we do. We'd have the same TV partner that we have now, except that TV partner would have even more influence over our league.

It's time to switch your preference from Big Ten to SEC.

Because in the SEC, we can play on ESPN+, ESPNU, the SEC Network, and occasionally on ABC at 2:30. Maybe, we could play what is now our Pay Per View game on Thursday!! CBS generally broadcasts ONE primetime SEC game PER SEASON.

LINK to 1st 3 weeks of 2021 SEC televised games: SEC announces first three weeks of televised college football schedule - al.com

[MI Sooner]

I was just try to find something positive about the 11 AM game.

The action by the network in light of the following statement only show why OU needs to leave the Big 12 when they couldn't care less about how this impacts OU and its fans.

Or maybe just don't agree to shit you don't want to do? I guarantee TV partners would agree to veto clauses or caps on noon kicks for less money. Hell, if we were that serious about it, we could have paid Fox to not put it there.

[FtwTxSooner]

A few years ago, the PAC asked ESPN/Fox about limiting appearances in the PAC After Dark time slot. TV came back with how much it’ll cost them to do that, and the PAC quickly dropped the subject.

If you want the most money out of TV, it comes at a cost.

[OU48A]

Or maybe just don't agree to shit you don't want to do? I guarantee TV partners would agree to veto clauses or caps on noon kicks for less money. Hell, if we were that serious about it, we could have paid Fox to not put it there.

The problem with that is that it means less money for the other big 12 members who do not have the problem of to many bad kickoff times and like the idea of bad things happing to OU...They are not going to like the idea of less money at all...leaving OU with the choice of staying and putting up with it or finding a new conference that pays OU a lot more money.

In the B1G or SEC OU would still play 11 AM games but because both conferences have other high profile programs that draw good TV rating's the burden would be shared more equally.

I agree with you that there should be caps on the number of times a team should be required to play at 11am but particularly in the early season heat that is dangerous for some fans. I believe at one time LSU refused to play early season home day games

[Widescreen]

That was a dumb tweet by Joel. He's hearing about it too. He may think he's defending his employer but I doubt many of the fans like this decision at all and it's compounded by how many times we get stuck at 11am. They can brand it "Big Noon" or "Best Time Slot For Football Ever" or anything else but it's not going to change the fact that 11am sucks compared to the evening and prime time slots.

[Stinger_1066]

That was a dumb tweet by Joel. He's hearing about it too. He may think he's defending his employer but I doubt many of the fans like this decision at all and it's compounded by how many times we get stuck at 11am. They can brand it "Big Noon" or "Best Time Slot For Football Ever" or anything else but it's not going to change the fact that 11am sucks compared to the evening and prime time slots.

Sooner fans need to focus their ire on Joe C, and more specifically, the conference, for agreeing to such a deal.

We just have to suck it up for another 4 years. In the mean time, let the people who do the negotiating of the next GOR know that they need to get their act together.

[AppySooner]

Unfortunately their branding is BIG NOON.

Good for them. In a few years they’ll be showing the newest Group of 6 conference on Big Noon.

[soonerBAS]

The problem with that is that it means less money for the other big 12 members who do not have the problem of to many bad kickoff times and like the idea of bad things happing to OU...They are not going to like the idea of less money at all...leaving OU with the choice of staying and putting up with it or finding a new conference that pays OU a lot more money.

In the B1G or SEC OU would still play 11 AM games but because both conferences have other high profile programs that draw good TV rating's the burden would be shared more equally.

I agree with you that there should be caps on the number of times a team should be required to play at 11am but particularly in the early season heat that is dangerous for some fans. I believe at one time LSU refused to play early season home day games

but shouldn't the other Big12 members be upset that they aren't getting the 11:00 kickoff? if it is such a great deal as Fox makes it out to be then you would think the other 9 teams would be saying hey why is Oklahoma getting Big Noon or whatever it's called.

either we are the Big12's one marquee ratings grabbing team that Fox is abusing to obtain ratings and advertising dollars or we are getting special treatment from Fox that is keeping the other members down.

[kopp0e]

Good for them. In a few years they’ll be showing the newest Group of 6 conference on Big Noon.

FOX owns 51% of Big Ten tier 3 network, so if nothing else, FOX will either look to get a majority of B1G rights, or all of 'em like ESPN did with ACC/ SEC...
The issue there is by 2024, there could be 2 networks fully tied tiers 1/2/3 with ABC-ESPN, 1 fully tied to FOX-FS1, where does XII (OU) & PAC (USC) go..?

but shouldn't the other Big12 members be upset that they aren't getting the 11:00 kickoff? if it is such a great deal as Fox makes it out to be then you would think the other 9 teams would be saying hey why is Oklahoma getting Big Noon or whatever it's called.

either we are the Big12's one marquee ratings grabbing team that Fox is abusing to obtain ratings and advertising dollars or we are getting special treatment from Fox that is keeping the other members down.

This is the way I see this working (granted its my speculative thought so I could be way off) as other XII schools like being the late home team hosting OU...
That's why OU is upset with so many home kicks at 11am, while the road games against decent foes are usually late night, (9 OU-UT games at 11am too)...

[Stinger_1066]

Good for them. In a few years they’ll be showing the newest Group of 6 conference on Big Noon.

Maybe so. But maybe they throw a ton of money at OU with the understanding that OU plays at 11 am whenever they are the highest ranked team in the conference.

Do you think OU would say no?

but shouldn't the other Big12 members be upset that they aren't getting the 11:00 kickoff? if it is such a great deal as Fox makes it out to be then you would think the other 9 teams would be saying hey why is Oklahoma getting Big Noon or whatever it's called.

either we are the Big12's one marquee ratings grabbing team that Fox is abusing to obtain ratings and advertising dollars or we are getting special treatment from Fox that is keeping the other members down.

^^this** (bolded part).

The blame goes on UT. Fox expected UT to be good. Right now they have to rely upon OU only because UT sucks. Otherwise OU and UT would be splitting time vis-a-vis the marquee slot. Guess why they gave back the rights to the CCG? No one wants to see OU play ISU again, other than OU and ISU fans. Fox would much rather have an OU / UT CCG every couple of years, but UT has not fulfilled their end of the bargain.

[Widescreen]

Sooner fans need to focus their ire on Joe C, and more specifically, the conference, for agreeing to such a deal.

We just have to suck it up for another 4 years. In the mean time, let the people who do the negotiating of the next GOR know that they need to get their act together.

That's fine and I agree. My point was directed at Klatt's stupid tweet.

[Stinger_1066]

That's fine and I agree. My point was directed at Klatt's stupid tweet.

Klatt is fishing for clicks, and he got them. He knows how to push buttons. His favorite target is A&M fans.

[OU48A]

but shouldn't the other Big12 members be upset that they aren't getting the 11:00 kickoff? if it is such a great deal as Fox makes it out to be then you would think the other 9 teams would be saying hey why is Oklahoma getting Big Noon or whatever it's called.

either we are the Big12's one marquee ratings grabbing team that Fox is abusing to obtain ratings and advertising dollars or we are getting special treatment from Fox that is keeping the other members down.

I don't think the other Big12 members view a large number of 11 AM kickoffs as any advantage but as something that causes lower revenue's from fewer ticket sales and lower donation's just as they have done at OU.

The little brothers of the Big 12 seem to be for anything that improves their revenues at OU expense.

[MichSooner]

but shouldn't the other Big12 members be upset that they aren't getting the 11:00 kickoff? if it is such a great deal as Fox makes it out to be then you would think the other 9 teams would be saying hey why is Oklahoma getting Big Noon or whatever it's called.

either we are the Big12's one marquee ratings grabbing team that Fox is abusing to obtain ratings and advertising dollars or we are getting special treatment from Fox that is keeping the other members down.

They get to play on Thursday Night Football, ESPN+, ESPNU, FoxSports1, and occasionally ESPN or 2. When they play us, maybe they will get on Fox or ABC.

[SoopaSooner]

That was a dumb tweet by Joel. He's hearing about it too. He may think he's defending his employer but I doubt many of the fans like this decision at all and it's compounded by how many times we get stuck at 11am. They can brand it "Big Noon" or "Best Time Slot For Football Ever" or anything else but it's not going to change the fact that 11am sucks compared to the evening and prime time slots.

Rooster kickoffs are bad for OU’s brand, Klatt a football guy obviously doesn’t care about that.

[OrangeBeachBum68]

The problem with that is that it means less money for the other big 12 members who do not have the problem of to many bad kickoff times and like the idea of bad things happing to OU...They are not going to like the idea of less money at all...leaving OU with the choice of staying and putting up with it or finding a new conference that pays OU a lot more money.

In the B1G or SEC OU would still play 11 AM games but because both conferences have other high profile programs that draw good TV rating's the burden would be shared more equally.

I agree with you that there should be caps on the number of times a team should be required to play at 11am but particularly in the early season heat that is dangerous for some fans. I believe at one time LSU refused to play early season home day games

IF OU was in the SEC this would have been a 230 game and Bama/Florida in the Swamp would have been the 700 espn/abc game.

[OUwasp]

kinda half-heartedly scrolling through this thread....thinking it's the same ol', same ol' crap from Fox...then I see this. I figure it's a good photoshop fake news sorta thing.

what...what? It is legit?!? Several thoughts come to mind:

*Mighty Joe C is toothless, even Joe acknowledges this.

**Fox truly doesn't give a damn about OU, other than "How much more gold can this Golden Goose give us?" (at some point the carving knives will come out)

*** How many 11 am kicks will those Texsa homos get?

****and how many prime-time kicks will OU deal with at away games?

[billybud]

It is hard to call the game a major rival...when they haven't been scheduled in over a decade....

[Stinger_1066]

It is hard to call the game a major rival...when they haven't been scheduled in over a decade....

Nostalgia. It is a game of significant interest, not only for OU and Neb fans, but many older fans across the country.

But if Fox aired the game head-to-head against Bama / Florida or Penn State / Auburn, the other game would win the ratings battle.

More eyeballs will be on our game at 11 am vs if it were shown mid afternoon or in prime time.

At 11 am, people all over the country will be tailgating at that time. Lots of tailgate set-ups include big screen TVs. There won't be any other game worth watching at that time.

[MI Sooner]

The problem with that is that it means less money for the other big 12 members who do not have the problem of to many bad kickoff times and like the idea of bad things happing to OU...They are not going to like the idea of less money at all...leaving OU with the choice of staying and putting up with it or finding a new conference that pays OU a lot more money.

In the B1G or SEC OU would still play 11 AM games but because both conferences have other high profile programs that draw good TV rating's the burden would be shared more equally.

I agree with you that there should be caps on the number of times a team should be required to play at 11am but particularly in the early season heat that is dangerous for some fans. I believe at one time LSU refused to play early season home day games

Everything is negotiable. They didn’t used to share TV money evenly. It could be worked out. Saying OU has to accept this or leave the Big 12 is a false choice.

[soonerBAS]

even if you don't play up the nostalgia angle to this game a network should be able to promote it as a game between the Big12 and Big10, you don't get a lot of these anymore plus with OU being rated high and in the playoff talk this game could be important at the end of the year. How well did OU play against Neb, how did any Big10 team in the mix play against Nebraska in comparison to OU?

as far as Joe's statement I don't think it really had that much to do with this game, he never has been a radical shoot from the hip kind of guy, everything is usually calculated with a reason behind it. The Big12 wanted to start early discussions about extending the contract, Fox turned them down. That came out about a day or two before Joe made his remarks, it was either frustration about the lack of contract talks or a shot to try for more favorable time slots later in the year, or maybe a little of both as in Joe letting both the Big12 and Fox know where OU stands,

[OU48A]

Everything is negotiable. They didn’t used to share TV money evenly. It could be worked out. Saying OU has to accept this or leave the Big 12 is a false choice.

The Big 8 and Big 12 have had unequal revenue sharing before and it failed.

It made the little brothers bitter and more unwilling to compromise on negotiating a contract that did not maximize the TV money which is what would occur if further restrictions were placed on TV kickoff times. A big part of the Big 12's problem has been disharmony.

OU is already being granted favors by not being required to play home games on Thursday nights and by not playing the OU - UT game at night in Fair Park.

According to published media contract projections OU would make a lot more money in the B1G or SEC and since both conferences have several other brands that attract good TV ratings. the burden of bad kick off times would be shared more evenly.

The bad kickoff times combined with the poor home conference schedules and a long list of other factors is starting to significantly reduce OU's season ticket / donor base costing OU millions. A better average home schedule would help restore some of this lost revenue.

[Stinger_1066]

Everything is negotiable. They didn’t used to share TV money evenly. It could be worked out. Saying OU has to accept this or leave the Big 12 is a false choice.

In the realignment thread I made the following proposal that allows any team in the Big-12 to earn bonus revenue based on their performance:

So if none of the Parasite 8 will agree to unequal revenue sharing, with OU and UT getting a bigger share, how about this?

The contract states that bonuses are paid based on TV appearances in the marquee games (BIG NOON, etc). Right now that would favor OU, but if OU had a down year then some other team would benefit.

That way no single school (i.e., OU or UT) is guaranteed additional revenue. They have to earn it by being the most attractive option for the marquee game of the network partner.

even if you don't play up the nostalgia angle to this game a network should be able to promote it as a game between the Big12 and Big10, you don't get a lot of these anymore plus with OU being rated high and in the playoff talk this game could be important at the end of the year. How well did OU play against Neb, how did any Big10 team in the mix play against Nebraska in comparison to OU?

as far as Joe's statement I don't think it really had that much to do with this game, he never has been a radical shoot from the hip kind of guy, everything is usually calculated with a reason behind it. The Big12 wanted to start early discussions about extending the contract, Fox turned them down. That came out about a day or two before Joe made his remarks, it was either frustration about the lack of contract talks or a shot to try for more favorable time slots later in the year, or maybe a little of both as in Joe letting both the Big12 and Fox know where OU stands,

I get the impression that B1G fans from the east view Nebraska as a step child. They'd rather watch Auburn at Penn State on ABC, 7:30 pm.

Your choices are:

1 - Play at 11 am and be the big national draw during that timeslot.

2 - Play at 2:30 pm and go head to head with Bama / Florida on CBS.

3 - Play at night and go head to head with Penn State / Auburn on ABC.

Fox likes neither option 2 or 3 for good reason.

Maybe OU fans don't care about what the rest of the country prefers to watch, but they should.

[HouClone]

At this time slot, this game will be the top draw in all of college football, all networks unless one believes Miami - Michigan State will be better. Saying that, nobody outside of OU or Nebraska or the purists care about the anniversary of the Game of the Century. And one of the teams thought so much of the nostalgia, they tried to bail on playing the game. Finally, Nebraska sucks now, 16-28 past 4 years. Being the top billing for the time slot doesn't sound bad at all considering these reasons.

[Mazeppa]

It's all Nebraska's fault, because they suck and nobody cares about them. And it's our fault for scheduling these bums, we would have got a better deal if we were playing Penn State or Wisconsin of some other B1G team.

[SoopaSooner]

It's all Nebraska's fault, because they suck and nobody cares about them. And it's our fault for scheduling these bums, we would have got a better deal if we were playing Penn State or Wisconsin of some other B1G team.

No OU would still be playing those teams at noon because FOX only cares about ratings for their mediocre Big Noon slot.

[Sooner5030]

I didnt think OTA FOX even had night games that early in the CFB season....I thought their sat nights were dedicated to MLB.

[WTinOK]

Well, its easy to argue ESPN is pursuing Oklahoma pretty heavily, (while taking a few jabs at FOX)...



The front page mentions the statement from Castiglione on the situation with the NU at OU contest...

Seems reasonable. ESPN is whispering sweet nothings in one ear. FOX knows what is getting ready to happen and want's nothing to do with it.

2 things to look for.

1. Obviously ESPN buying the OU T-3 content
2. More OU T-3 on ESPN+ as Bally says fuck you to OU, like the spring game situation. Or playing bad replays to meet contract requirements. OU still has 8 home baseball games this year that are only on the radio.

It does not appear that Bally or FOX are looking to kiss OU's ass any more.

[WTinOK]

Fox has OSU playing a 8:00 game against Boise on FS1 that day.

OU fans should take note. It could be a lot worse. LOL.

8 PM kick vs a MW team who might win is about as bad as it gets.

[auto]

OU is already being granted favors by not being required to play by not playing the OU - UT game at night in Fair Park.

e.

Bullshit, that is a travesty. Nothing would be better.

[Stinger_1066]

Bullshit, that is a travesty. Nothing would be better.

Not for scared old geezers like 48A.

[auto]

Not for scared old geezers like 48A.

Well true...

[OU48A]

Bullshit, that is a travesty. Nothing would be better.

Now you show how stupid and poorly informed you are but a person like you who stays in a mentally messed up state of mind wouldn't know why OU and UT officials do not want to play at night...neither do the players who want to go back home early and party with the their girlfriends.