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    Part of this has to be that Nebraska sucks. I loved the rivalry, it was always my favorite game as a kid in the 80s, but nobody today cares about it. All young fans know is that Nebraska is terrible.

    If NU were a top-10 team, it probably would be a night game.

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      Ominous signs for the Big 12’s future

      Two TV developments illustrate the Big 12’s precarious position.

      If hating on the Big 12 is your bag, last week brought a couple pieces of news that were right up your alley. Let’s take them in reverse order.

      Thanks for nothing, FOX

      Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione had tongues wagging around the college sports world when the school’s long-simmering frustrations with an overabundance of early kickoffs for football games boiled over. Specifically, he took umbrage with the decision by FOX to schedule OU’s game against Nebraska this year at 11 am local time:

      Statement from @soonerad on the OU-Nebraska football game: pic.twitter.com/p6fUJBwW5e
      — Oklahoma Sooners (@OU_Athletics) May 27, 2021



      In fact, Castiglione has made similar comments before, albeit not so bluntly:

      Appreciate our fans adjusting for another 11 a.m., game. Although it’s not always readily apparent, we vigorously push for other times, like we did for our opener. (1/2)
      — Joe Castiglione (@soonerad) October 19, 2019



      Eddie Radosevich of SoonerScoop.com did the math on OU’s early kickoffs, finding that the Sooners put toe to leather in the early TV slot 42 times in the last decade. That includes 23 such starts in the last five seasons:

      Since 2011 #Sooners have played 42 games in the 11/11:30a timeslot, that number is a stunning 23x over the last five seasons. pic.twitter.com/T5Hwbl9yC7
      — Eddie Radosevich (@Eddie_Rado) May 27, 2021


      Consider OU a victim of its own success. FOX appears convinced the 12 pm ET/11 am CT window generates boffo ratings. Between the power of the Sooner brand and the number of high-stakes games that the team has played in lately, it stands to reason that the Big 12’s TV partner would put OU in that slot pretty frequently. (In this case, it also appears that the network may have a contractual obligation to show a Major League Baseball game in the primetime slot OU clearly wanted for the matchup with NU.)

      Frankly, the people who run college football sold control over the sport to ESPN and FOX many moons ago, so complaining about how the networks make their money when they’re the ones paying for your media rights looks silly. They are going to leverage their product to the fullest extent possible because that’s what they do – FOX* is the same company that charges fans $60 once a season to watch the Sooners beat the tar out of an FCS team, after all. (*Note: Technically, it’s now Sinclair’s Bally Sports doing the fleecing, as FOX gave up OU’s contract when it sold FS Oklahoma.) If the OU brass expected anything less here, that part is on them.

      Unfortunately for Castiglione, FOX getting every last nickel out of its TV inventory means nada to the irked fans and donors who flood his inbox with e-mails voicing their displeasure with early starts. Local businesses may prefer fans hang around town getting charged up before a night game, but what does FOX care? Lincoln Riley and his coaching staff probably want to use a high-profile game in primetime to bring in recruits from across the country. Again, FOX is more concerned with filling its coffers.

      In the end, you know what this brouhaha means in and of itself? Absolutely nothing. The idea that FOX will get up in its feelings over this and somehow try to screw OU or the Big 12 is ridiculous. The company is not in the business of squandering its assets to make a point. On the other hand, let’s also not pretend as though Oklahoma has any immediate recourse here.

      The important undercurrent to recognize here is that OU apparently has some reservations about the Big 12’s TV package and, by extension, the conference’s influence. If the Big Ten league office had been interceding on OU’s behalf, for example, it’s certainly fair to wonder if FOX would have come up with a different answer.



      https://www.crimsonandcreammachine.c...ts-realignment

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        Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post
        Ominous signs for the Big 12’s future

        Two TV developments illustrate the Big 12’s precarious position.

        If hating on the Big 12 is your bag, last week brought a couple pieces of news that were right up your alley. Let’s take them in reverse order.

        Thanks for nothing, FOX

        Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione had tongues wagging around the college sports world when the school’s long-simmering frustrations with an overabundance of early kickoffs for football games boiled over. Specifically, he took umbrage with the decision by FOX to schedule OU’s game against Nebraska this year at 11 am local time:

        Statement from @soonerad on the OU-Nebraska football game: pic.twitter.com/p6fUJBwW5e
        — Oklahoma Sooners (@OU_Athletics) May 27, 2021



        In fact, Castiglione has made similar comments before, albeit not so bluntly:

        Appreciate our fans adjusting for another 11 a.m., game. Although it’s not always readily apparent, we vigorously push for other times, like we did for our opener. (1/2)
        — Joe Castiglione (@soonerad) October 19, 2019



        Eddie Radosevich of SoonerScoop.com did the math on OU’s early kickoffs, finding that the Sooners put toe to leather in the early TV slot 42 times in the last decade. That includes 23 such starts in the last five seasons:

        Since 2011 #Sooners have played 42 games in the 11/11:30a timeslot, that number is a stunning 23x over the last five seasons. pic.twitter.com/T5Hwbl9yC7
        — Eddie Radosevich (@Eddie_Rado) May 27, 2021


        Consider OU a victim of its own success. FOX appears convinced the 12 pm ET/11 am CT window generates boffo ratings. Between the power of the Sooner brand and the number of high-stakes games that the team has played in lately, it stands to reason that the Big 12’s TV partner would put OU in that slot pretty frequently. (In this case, it also appears that the network may have a contractual obligation to show a Major League Baseball game in the primetime slot OU clearly wanted for the matchup with NU.)

        Frankly, the people who run college football sold control over the sport to ESPN and FOX many moons ago, so complaining about how the networks make their money when they’re the ones paying for your media rights looks silly. They are going to leverage their product to the fullest extent possible because that’s what they do – FOX* is the same company that charges fans $60 once a season to watch the Sooners beat the tar out of an FCS team, after all. (*Note: Technically, it’s now Sinclair’s Bally Sports doing the fleecing, as FOX gave up OU’s contract when it sold FS Oklahoma.) If the OU brass expected anything less here, that part is on them.

        Unfortunately for Castiglione, FOX getting every last nickel out of its TV inventory means nada to the irked fans and donors who flood his inbox with e-mails voicing their displeasure with early starts. Local businesses may prefer fans hang around town getting charged up before a night game, but what does FOX care? Lincoln Riley and his coaching staff probably want to use a high-profile game in primetime to bring in recruits from across the country. Again, FOX is more concerned with filling its coffers.

        In the end, you know what this brouhaha means in and of itself? Absolutely nothing. The idea that FOX will get up in its feelings over this and somehow try to screw OU or the Big 12 is ridiculous. The company is not in the business of squandering its assets to make a point. On the other hand, let’s also not pretend as though Oklahoma has any immediate recourse here.

        The important undercurrent to recognize here is that OU apparently has some reservations about the Big 12’s TV package and, by extension, the conference’s influence. If the Big Ten league office had been interceding on OU’s behalf, for example, it’s certainly fair to wonder if FOX would have come up with a different answer.



        https://www.crimsonandcreammachine.c...ts-realignment
        I believe there is a growing amount of recognition within the OU community that if OU wants to see this situation change that its going to need to leave the Big 12. OU coach's, fans and donors have complained about bad kickoff times many years before the current contract.

        The little brothers have shown no willingness to install limits on the number of bad kickoff times for its members...All they want is the maximization of TV revenue's while knowing they will not be forced to play near as many 11 AM games.

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          Originally posted by OU48A View Post
          I believe there is a growing amount of recognition within the OU community that if OU wants to see this situation change that its going to need to leave the Big 12. OU coach's, fans and donors have complained about bad kickoff times many years before the current contract.

          The little brothers have shown no willingness to install limits on the number of bad kickoff times for its members...All they want is the maximization of TV revenue's while knowing they will not be forced to play near as many 11 AM games.


          48a, might should pause for consideration, Nebraska is pumping out articles of dissatisfaction in B1G, where you want to force OU athletics...

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            Originally posted by kopp0e View Post



            48a, might should pause for consideration, Nebraska is pumping out articles of dissatisfaction in B1G, where you want to force OU athletics...
            Follow the money kopp0e....the money says Nebraska isn't going anywhere

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              Originally posted by OU48A View Post

              But don't the crips hate red?
              Good point. We had better watch out for the Crips.

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                Could some media geek poster create a chart showing 11 a.m. kicks for all the Big XII teams over the last few years? I'm curious to see how many times mighty Texsa has hosted an early kick. Little brother too. TIA.

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                  Originally posted by FtwTxSooner View Post

                  Since 2017, the most 11am - Noon home kickoffs in one season have been 2. Even the complaints as of late are a bit out of whack compared to the actual number of early home games. If people want 0, that isn't happening.

                  Since 2011 #Sooners have played 42 games in the 11/11:30a timeslot, that number is a stunning 23x over the last five seasons. pic.twitter.com/T5Hwbl9yC7
                  — Eddie Radosevich (@Eddie_Rado) May 27, 2021
                  So you're saying it's happened twice in the last 4 seasons. Radosevich is saying it's 23 in the last 5 seasons. Something isn't adding up.

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                    Originally posted by Widescreen View Post




                    So you're saying it's happened twice in the last 4 seasons. Radosevich is saying it's 23 in the last 5 seasons. Something isn't adding up.
                    Radesevich is including road games and the CCGs we've played in every year. People are upset over home games played at 11am which doesn't happen nearly as many times as some people think they do. For home games, its been usually 2 a season for many years.
                    .

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                      Originally posted by FtwTxSooner View Post

                      Radesevich is including road games and the CCGs we've played in every year. People are upset over home games played at 11am which doesn't happen nearly as many times as some people think they do. For home games, its been usually 2 a season for many years.
                      .
                      The irritating thing is Oklahoma being tasked with an 11:00 home kickoff (which impairs recruiting efforts), yet dealing with a prime-time game at Ames, Waco, or Stillwater. And Texsa is supposed to be a big, national, money-making brand...where are their 11:00 games? Other than the RRS?

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                        Originally posted by OUwasp View Post

                        The irritating thing is Oklahoma being tasked with an 11:00 home kickoff (which impairs recruiting efforts), yet dealing with a prime-time game at Ames, Waco, or Stillwater. And Texsa is supposed to be a big, national, money-making brand...where are their 11:00 games? Other than the RRS?
                        It’s not that hard. I just set my alarm for 3am and start drinking. You should look into that.

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                          Originally posted by OUwasp View Post
                          Could some media geek poster create a chart showing 11 a.m. kicks for all the Big XII teams over the last few years? I'm curious to see how many times mighty Texsa has hosted an early kick. Little brother too. TIA.
                          Somebody had done this several years ago.... At the time it showed OU playing far more early kickoff's than UT.


                          Originally posted by OUwasp View Post

                          The irritating thing is Oklahoma being tasked with an 11:00 home kickoff (which impairs recruiting efforts), yet dealing with a prime-time game at Ames, Waco, or Stillwater. And Texsa is supposed to be a big, national, money-making brand...where are their 11:00 games? Other than the RRS?

                          As you say.....the biggest irritating thing that's occurred is how OU and the Big 12 apparently made their thoughts very clear on the Nebraska game but the network didn't give one crap about how this disrupted OU's plans that included a big recruiting weekend....For a long time its seemed like a lot more of OU's tougher road conference games are played at night where as many of OU's toughest games (on paper) at home are at 11AM.

                          With so many of OU higher profile home games that are normally big recruiting weekends being played at 11AM it's hindering OU's recruiting efforts and as such the bottom line is they are a disadvantage to OU's national competitiveness.

                          Almost everyone now understand that the current Big 12 contract arrangement will not work for OU in the long term, past 2025.

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                            Another part lost in all the talk of the early kickoffs is the lost revenues for the Norman area businesses.

                            It's going to be a figure well into the millions

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                              Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post

                              I thought is was because the Big XII sucks.
                              it does but that fact has no bearing on this subject

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                                A little bit of "old school Friday"...

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                                  Originally posted by AppySooner View Post
                                  Yes, it does make good business sense for Fox to do this, as long as they don't look any farther down the road than September.
                                  Further.

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                                    I guess we at least get Jenny Taft on the sideline.... I yelled "Jenny sit on my face" at an XFL game.... she shrugged it off.

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                                      Originally posted by JLEW1818 View Post
                                      I guess we at least get Jenny Taft on the sideline.... I yelled "Jenny sit on my face" at an XFL game.... she shrugged it off.
                                      That story really fizzled.

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                                        Originally posted by RockFlagandEagle View Post

                                        That story really fizzled.
                                        Why would he want her to sit on his face at a XFL game?

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                                          So as of June Nebraska has committed to try the football thing one more year?

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                                            Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post

                                            Why would he want her to sit on his face at a XFL game?
                                            To block the craptastic product on the field...and to eat her pussy. Just a guess.

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                                              Originally posted by OU48A View Post
                                              Somebody had done this several years ago.... At the time it showed OU playing far more early kickoff's than UT.





                                              As you say.....the biggest irritating thing that's occurred is how OU and the Big 12 apparently made their thoughts very clear on the Nebraska game but the network didn't give one crap about how this disrupted OU's plans that included a big recruiting weekend....For a long time its seemed like a lot more of OU's tougher road conference games are played at night where as many of OU's toughest games (on paper) at home are at 11AM.

                                              With so many of OU higher profile home games that are normally big recruiting weekends being played at 11AM it's hindering OU's recruiting efforts and as such the bottom line is they are a disadvantage to OU's national competitiveness.

                                              Almost everyone now understand that the current Big 12 contract arrangement will not work for OU in the long term, past 2025.
                                              The number of times I’ve seen an “unavoidable” rooster kick and turned my TV on to see Arizona vs Colorado or Texas Tech vs Kansas State in a better time slot tells me this isn’t as “unavoidable” as the networks will have you believe. It almost seems like other networks maybe don’t like the primetime competition.

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                                                Originally posted by 49cent View Post

                                                The number of times I’ve seen an “unavoidable” rooster kick and turned my TV on to see Arizona vs Colorado or Texas Tech vs Kansas State in a better time slot tells me this isn’t as “unavoidable” as the networks will have you believe. It almost seems like other networks maybe don’t like the primetime competition.
                                                To the TV nets and particularly Fox is all about maximizing their add revenues to the maximum...never mind what the consequences are for the attending fans and football programs.

                                                This one is on Joe C and OU for agreeing to the terms of the contracts that allow this situation to continue. Too many bad kickoff times were an issue before this contract was signed.

                                                There needs to be language in these contracts that limit the number of bad kickoff times of any one team. It can be done and it has been done by other teams and other conferences. As an example LSU has refused to play early season day games and would tell TV to take a hike. OU should do the same during about the first 3 weeks of September.

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                                                  Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                  To the TV nets and particularly Fox is all about maximizing their add revenues to the maximum...never mind what the consequences are for the attending fans and football programs.

                                                  This one is on Joe C and OU for agreeing to the terms of the contracts that allow this situation to continue. Too many bad kickoff times were an issue before this contract was signed.

                                                  There needs to be language in these contracts that limit the number of bad kickoff times of any one team. It can be done and it has been done by other teams and other conferences. As an example LSU has refused to play early season day games and would tell TV to take a hike. OU should do the same during about the first 3 weeks of September.
                                                  This is on FOX, you can't blame Joe for trying to get a later timeslot & XII working on the behalf of OU to do so...
                                                  This would be the "regular" time slot for Oklahoma in a conference with 8 ETZ schools in a Great Lakes league...

                                                  Nebraska's current 3rd tier content is on a platform 51% owned by as same FOX/ NU had 8 11am kicks in 2018...
                                                  But you need to paint this as something 'OU did wrong'... Did OU pick this time/ No... Did OU want different/ Yes...

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                                                    Originally posted by kopp0e View Post

                                                    This is on FOX, you can't blame Joe for trying to get a later timeslot & XII working on the behalf of OU to do so...
                                                    This would be the "regular" time slot for Oklahoma in a conference with 8 ETZ schools in a Great Lakes league...

                                                    Nebraska's current 3rd tier content is on a platform 51% owned by as same FOX/ NU had 8 11am kicks in 2018...
                                                    But you need to paint this as something 'OU did wrong'... Did OU pick this time/ No... Did OU want different/ Yes...
                                                    There is nobody that forced OU / Joe C to sign a contract that allows what we have been experiencing for many years.

                                                    Preventing things like this from occurring over and over and for many years is Joe C's job. Particularly when too many bad kickoff times have been complained about for more than 20 years by coaches, fans and Norman merchant's.

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                                                      Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                      There is nobody that forced OU / Joe C to sign a contract that allows what we have been experiencing for many years.

                                                      Preventing things like this from occurring over and over and for many years is Joe C's job. Particularly when too many bad kickoff times have been complained about for more than 20 years by coaches, fans and Norman merchant's.
                                                      Did "Big Non Kickoff" exist before Oklahoma & XII signed its contract in 2013 or so..? Nope it didn't...
                                                      No, & it is ironic you ranting of tv revenue, now blame J Castiglione in spite of all good done for OU...

                                                      Keep in mind: FOX has 3 channels to air games & is a 51% tier 3 buddy of B1G (with 8 ETZ teams)...
                                                      How in your mind, that bodes good for Oklahoma football, if UT is in SEC vs A&M/ Arky/ LSU is odd...

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                                                        Originally posted by kopp0e View Post

                                                        Did "Big Non Kickoff" exist before Oklahoma & XII signed its contract in 2013 or so..? Nope it didn't...
                                                        No, & it is ironic you ranting of tv revenue, now blame J Castiglione in spite of all good done for OU...

                                                        Keep in mind: FOX has 3 channels to air games & is a 51% tier 3 buddy of B1G (with 8 ETZ teams)...
                                                        How in your mind, that bodes good for Oklahoma football, if UT is in SEC vs A&M/ Arky/ LSU is odd...
                                                        11 am or before noon kickoffs have existed since the 1970's that I know of but they were usually in November when most attending fans like that occasional time slot.

                                                        Many of those B1G kickoffs were at noon local time which is much better for attending fans. The fact is that some conferences do retain more power over kickoffs times than the Big 12 and Joe C....

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                                                          Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                          There is nobody that forced OU / Joe C to sign a contract that allows what we have been experiencing for many years.

                                                          Preventing things like this from occurring over and over and for many years is Joe C's job. Particularly when too many bad kickoff times have been complained about for more than 20 years by coaches, fans and Norman merchant's.
                                                          The only contract Joe C signed he had the final say on with the T3 deal in which he was perfectly fine extracting as much money as possible by allowing PPV. Joe C just has one vote for any conference wide deals, though he isn't going to give up money if he had the chance.

                                                          Like it or not, this game was judged to be #1 pick by Fox. There is not going to be any flexibility there. For the SEC, CBS had already taken their picks. The less desirable the game is, the more flexibility there can be.

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                                                            Originally posted by FtwTxSooner View Post

                                                            The only contract Joe C signed he had the final say on with the T3 deal in which he was perfectly fine extracting as much money as possible by allowing PPV. Joe C just has one vote for any conference wide deals, though he isn't going to give up money if he had the chance.

                                                            Like it or not, this game was judged to be #1 pick by Fox. There is not going to be any flexibility there. For the SEC, CBS had already taken their picks. The less desirable the game is, the more flexibility there can be.
                                                            This issue is causing an erosion of OU donor and ticket base costing OU millions. It would be worth giving up some TV money to have limits on bad kickoff times.

                                                            If the other Big 12 members do not care enough about OU to accept less TV money its one more reason to leave the Big 12 and find a conference capable of sharing the burden more evenly


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                                                              Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                              11 am or before noon kickoffs have existed since the 1970's that I know of but they were usually in November when most attending fans like that occasional time slot.

                                                              Many of those B1G kickoffs were at noon local time which is much better for attending fans. The fact is that some conferences do retain more power over kickoffs times than the Big 12 and Joe C....
                                                              That particular problem isn't such an issue to a broadcast partner as ESPN, being the there are well over 12 linear stations & streaming...
                                                              That compares far better than the 3 linear networks FOX has, which in turn, limits tv slots, as example of OU on ESPN tonite in WCWS:

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                                                                Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                To the TV nets and particularly Fox is all about maximizing their add revenues to the maximum...never mind what the consequences are for the attending fans and football programs.

                                                                This one is on Joe C and OU for agreeing to the terms of the contracts that allow this situation to continue. Too many bad kickoff times were an issue before this contract was signed.

                                                                There needs to be language in these contracts that limit the number of bad kickoff times of any one team. It can be done and it has been done by other teams and other conferences. As an example LSU has refused to play early season day games and would tell TV to take a hike. OU should do the same during about the first 3 weeks of September.
                                                                I don’t know the specifics or who is at fault. I just know that if Texas Tech, Kansas, TCU, Baylor, etc all wallow around in mediocrity that it doesn’t make sense to see KSU vs TT on primetime while we kick at 11:00. I have to think it’s a network thumbing their nose at the BIG 12 and specifically the program that has carried the BIG 12 for two decades now.

                                                                Again, not sure who missed the fine print in whatever contract situation. But it needs to be corrected next go round. Especially if we’re dumb enough to stay in this league. OU football needs more brand names in the OOC to battle the shittastic reputation the conference has and they need better “exposure” times for recruiting and attendance purposes. Joe C and anybody else with a pen in hand HAS to know that.

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                                                                  Originally posted by 49cent View Post

                                                                  I don’t know the specifics or who is at fault. I just know that if Texas Tech, Kansas, TCU, Baylor, etc all wallow around in mediocrity that it doesn’t make sense to see KSU vs TT on primetime while we kick at 11:00. I have to think it’s a network thumbing their nose at the BIG 12 and specifically the program that has carried the BIG 12 for two decades now.

                                                                  Again, not sure who missed the fine print in whatever contract situation. But it needs to be corrected next go round. Especially if we’re dumb enough to stay in this league. OU football needs more brand names in the OOC to battle the shittastic reputation the conference has and they need better “exposure” times for recruiting and attendance purposes. Joe C and anybody else with a pen in hand HAS to know that.
                                                                  Ohio State has ruled the Big 10 for years, but you don't hear them crying about the early start times.

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                                                                    Originally posted by HouClone View Post

                                                                    Ohio State has ruled the Big 10 for years, but you don't hear them crying about the early start times.
                                                                    You should do some research before making these statements:


                                                                    The Ohio State-Penn State showdown will be a noon ET start on Fox on Nov. 23.

                                                                    11/07/2019

                                                                    This year’s college football season has looked a little different on television with the advent of Fox’s Big Noon Saturday being added to the calendar. Before the season, Fox made the unique decision to shift their biggest game of the week outside of primetime, and even outside of the traditional 3:30 PM ET slot all the way back to the beginning of the college football day at noon ET. The noon kickoffs have included Michigan-Wisconsin, Texas-Oklahoma, Ohio State-Wisconsin, and will feature the huge Penn State-Ohio State matchup in a couple weeks. Fox is giving Big Noon Saturday the big game treatment with their top broadcast team of Gus Johnson and Joel Klatt, and the Big Noon Kickoff pregame show will even travel to Columbus for a College Gameday-esque on-site pregame show.

                                                                    Fox made this move for two reasons. First, to avoid as much direct competition as possible with CBS and ABC/ESPN. CBS has long dominated the 3:30 PM ET slot with the SEC Game of the Week (see LSU vs Alabama this Saturday), while ABC and ESPN largely own primetime. One could theoretically throw NBC and Notre Dame in there as well depending on how compelling the Fighting Irish matchup is on any given week. Second, the noon kickoff as the featured slot of the day is meant to draw as many eyeballs as possible to Fox’s Big Noon Kickoff pregame show and away from College GameDay on ESPN.

                                                                    So far, the strategy has worked… at least for Fox. The network has won the noon timeslot six out of the first nine weeks of the season according to Sports Media Watch.

                                                                    The fanbases that are being forced to promote Fox’s Big Noon Saturday? They’re not as supportive of the arrangement.

                                                                    To this point, we haven’t seen any 9 AM local time Pac-12 kickoffs (yet), so the noon kickoffs have largely centered on the Big 12 and Big 10 where Fox has rights agreements. This means schools like Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Texas, and Oklahoma are having to carry the load and feature in an abnormal number of early kickoffs for high profile games.

                                                                    With Fox announcing a potential Top 5 showdown between Ohio State and Penn State for noon, both fanbases made their displeasure loud and clear.

                                                                    Popular Buckeye blog Eleven Warriors argued that the noon kickoffs diminish a possible home-field advantage that a primetime game can create:

                                                                    But if you’re Ohio State or any of it’s well-reasoned fans // fires judging look at you weirdos who actually like noon games // you don’t care about ratings or the profit they generate for the network broadcasting the game.

                                                                    What you care about is your football team and watching it play via the best experience possible. The best experience in Ohio Stadium takes place when the sun sets and the lights come on.

                                                                    Fox needs to acknowledge that and put these marquee games on the stage they deserve.



                                                                    https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/col...-kickoffs.html

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                                                                      Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post

                                                                      You should do some research before making these statements:


                                                                      The Ohio State-Penn State showdown will be a noon ET start on Fox on Nov. 23.

                                                                      11/07/2019

                                                                      This year’s college football season has looked a little different on television with the advent of Fox’s Big Noon Saturday being added to the calendar. Before the season, Fox made the unique decision to shift their biggest game of the week outside of primetime, and even outside of the traditional 3:30 PM ET slot all the way back to the beginning of the college football day at noon ET. The noon kickoffs have included Michigan-Wisconsin, Texas-Oklahoma, Ohio State-Wisconsin, and will feature the huge Penn State-Ohio State matchup in a couple weeks. Fox is giving Big Noon Saturday the big game treatment with their top broadcast team of Gus Johnson and Joel Klatt, and the Big Noon Kickoff pregame show will even travel to Columbus for a College Gameday-esque on-site pregame show.

                                                                      Fox made this move for two reasons. First, to avoid as much direct competition as possible with CBS and ABC/ESPN. CBS has long dominated the 3:30 PM ET slot with the SEC Game of the Week (see LSU vs Alabama this Saturday), while ABC and ESPN largely own primetime. One could theoretically throw NBC and Notre Dame in there as well depending on how compelling the Fighting Irish matchup is on any given week. Second, the noon kickoff as the featured slot of the day is meant to draw as many eyeballs as possible to Fox’s Big Noon Kickoff pregame show and away from College GameDay on ESPN.

                                                                      So far, the strategy has worked… at least for Fox. The network has won the noon timeslot six out of the first nine weeks of the season according to Sports Media Watch.

                                                                      The fanbases that are being forced to promote Fox’s Big Noon Saturday? They’re not as supportive of the arrangement.

                                                                      To this point, we haven’t seen any 9 AM local time Pac-12 kickoffs (yet), so the noon kickoffs have largely centered on the Big 12 and Big 10 where Fox has rights agreements. This means schools like Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Texas, and Oklahoma are having to carry the load and feature in an abnormal number of early kickoffs for high profile games.

                                                                      With Fox announcing a potential Top 5 showdown between Ohio State and Penn State for noon, both fanbases made their displeasure loud and clear.

                                                                      Popular Buckeye blog Eleven Warriors argued that the noon kickoffs diminish a possible home-field advantage that a primetime game can create:

                                                                      But if you’re Ohio State or any of it’s well-reasoned fans // fires judging look at you weirdos who actually like noon games // you don’t care about ratings or the profit they generate for the network broadcasting the game.

                                                                      What you care about is your football team and watching it play via the best experience possible. The best experience in Ohio Stadium takes place when the sun sets and the lights come on.

                                                                      Fox needs to acknowledge that and put these marquee games on the stage they deserve.



                                                                      https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/col...-kickoffs.html
                                                                      Well done. My statement is withdrawn. It's just an observation on my part where it seems like OU has complained about this for years where you don't hear much from the other schools. Have I looked it up to verify this observation? No.

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                                                                        Originally posted by Mazeppa View Post

                                                                        You should do some research before making these statements:


                                                                        The Ohio State-Penn State showdown will be a noon ET start on Fox on Nov. 23.

                                                                        11/07/2019

                                                                        This year’s college football season has looked a little different on television with the advent of Fox’s Big Noon Saturday being added to the calendar. Before the season, Fox made the unique decision to shift their biggest game of the week outside of primetime, and even outside of the traditional 3:30 PM ET slot all the way back to the beginning of the college football day at noon ET. The noon kickoffs have included Michigan-Wisconsin, Texas-Oklahoma, Ohio State-Wisconsin, and will feature the huge Penn State-Ohio State matchup in a couple weeks. Fox is giving Big Noon Saturday the big game treatment with their top broadcast team of Gus Johnson and Joel Klatt, and the Big Noon Kickoff pregame show will even travel to Columbus for a College Gameday-esque on-site pregame show.

                                                                        Fox made this move for two reasons. First, to avoid as much direct competition as possible with CBS and ABC/ESPN. CBS has long dominated the 3:30 PM ET slot with the SEC Game of the Week (see LSU vs Alabama this Saturday), while ABC and ESPN largely own primetime. One could theoretically throw NBC and Notre Dame in there as well depending on how compelling the Fighting Irish matchup is on any given week. Second, the noon kickoff as the featured slot of the day is meant to draw as many eyeballs as possible to Fox’s Big Noon Kickoff pregame show and away from College GameDay on ESPN.

                                                                        So far, the strategy has worked… at least for Fox. The network has won the noon timeslot six out of the first nine weeks of the season according to Sports Media Watch.

                                                                        The fanbases that are being forced to promote Fox’s Big Noon Saturday? They’re not as supportive of the arrangement.

                                                                        To this point, we haven’t seen any 9 AM local time Pac-12 kickoffs (yet), so the noon kickoffs have largely centered on the Big 12 and Big 10 where Fox has rights agreements. This means schools like Ohio State, Michigan, Wisconsin, Texas, and Oklahoma are having to carry the load and feature in an abnormal number of early kickoffs for high profile games.

                                                                        With Fox announcing a potential Top 5 showdown between Ohio State and Penn State for noon, both fanbases made their displeasure loud and clear.

                                                                        Popular Buckeye blog Eleven Warriors argued that the noon kickoffs diminish a possible home-field advantage that a primetime game can create:

                                                                        But if you’re Ohio State or any of it’s well-reasoned fans // fires judging look at you weirdos who actually like noon games // you don’t care about ratings or the profit they generate for the network broadcasting the game.

                                                                        What you care about is your football team and watching it play via the best experience possible. The best experience in Ohio Stadium takes place when the sun sets and the lights come on.

                                                                        Fox needs to acknowledge that and put these marquee games on the stage they deserve.



                                                                        https://awfulannouncing.com/ncaa/col...-kickoffs.html
                                                                        Though, in this case, the bitching came from some dude writing a blog on the Buckeyes rather than the Ohio State athletic director.

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                                                                          Originally posted by HouClone View Post

                                                                          Well done. My statement is withdrawn. It's just an observation on my part where it seems like OU has complained about this for years where you don't hear much from the other schools. Have I looked it up to verify this observation? No.
                                                                          Noon local time is a lot better than 11AM or 10AM or 9AM

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                                                                            Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                            Noon local time is a lot better than 11AM or 10AM or 9AM
                                                                            I get your point but not sure I see a whole lot of impact on recruits, fans, on 1 hour difference. I don't know who is playing at 9 or 10 a.m. local time but if they do, that would be a problem.

                                                                            If OU leaves for the Big 10 in several years and gets the Ohio State treatment of 7 games at 11 a.m. CST, am I going to be reading messages on this board and seeing press releases complaining about the early start times?

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                                                                              Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                              Noon local time is a lot better than 11AM or 10AM or 9AM
                                                                              No one has played games at 9am CST... What are you trying to backtrack on now..? The fact remains for FOX this is the "primetime" window...

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                                                                                Originally posted by kopp0e View Post

                                                                                No one has played games at 9am CST... What are you trying to backtrack on now..? The fact remains for FOX this is the "primetime" window...
                                                                                They have been talking about it...on for the west coast

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                                                                                  Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                                  They have been talking about it...on for the west coast
                                                                                  You should've typed 9am PTZ (and that was Stanford coach) meanwhile the athletic director at USC was fine with it last season vs Arizona State, carry on...

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                                                                                    Originally posted by HouClone View Post

                                                                                    I get your point but not sure I see a whole lot of impact on recruits, fans, on 1 hour difference. I don't know who is playing at 9 or 10 a.m. local time but if they do, that would be a problem.

                                                                                    If OU leaves for the Big 10 in several years and gets the Ohio State treatment of 7 games at 11 a.m. CST, am I going to be reading messages on this board and seeing press releases complaining about the early start times?
                                                                                    It does make a significant difference logistically for fans who need to travel from distances....OU has had at least ten thousand fans who travel from out side the OKC metro area. That extra hour of sleep makes the day a lot more enjoyable. I can remember leaving my home at 5 AM a few times to make a game in Norman when I lived in the Texas panhandle....I drove home after the games and was at work the next day at 7 am.

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                                                                                      Originally posted by kopp0e View Post

                                                                                      You should've typed 9am PTZ (and that was Stanford coach) meanwhile the athletic director at USC was fine with it last season vs Arizona State, carry on...
                                                                                      I guess you are just not smart enough to understand what "local time" means.... that's what I posted

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                                                                                        Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                                        I guess you are just not smart enough to understand what "local time" means.... that's what I posted
                                                                                        It would be "smart" of a guy with phd level testing to specify, which you did not, thus a "Webster Middle school kid" has to correct your sentences..?
                                                                                        But FOX primetime window is set for the worst tv window for Oklahoma when wanting to host recruits for a huge game as UCLA & Nebraska too...

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                                                                                          Originally posted by FtwTxSooner View Post

                                                                                          Though, in this case, the bitching came from some dude writing a blog on the Buckeyes rather than the Ohio State athletic director.
                                                                                          He claims that both fan bases objected to this, so not just one guy. And the OU thing that Joe C. complained about wasn't some ordinary Saturday game, for some. I don't think there is a lot of people including AD's really like early games, (but really like the money) so there's no point in complaining since they signed the contracts giving the network total control. That's my thought on this.

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                                                                                            Originally posted by HouClone View Post

                                                                                            Well done. My statement is withdrawn. It's just an observation on my part where it seems like OU has complained about this for years where you don't hear much from the other schools. Have I looked it up to verify this observation? No.
                                                                                            Only thing is you made the statement as fact and not an observation, that is all.

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                                                                                              Originally posted by kopp0e View Post

                                                                                              It would be "smart" of a guy with phd level testing to specify, which you did not, thus a "Webster Middle school kid" has to correct your sentences..?
                                                                                              But FOX primetime window is set for the worst tv window for Oklahoma when wanting to host recruits for a huge game as UCLA & Nebraska too...
                                                                                              It's better and smarter to know about how time and money works You do not....You would be surprised how many very successful people (more than me) have difficulty's with their writing.

                                                                                              Unlike you and most others who say things just like you did I own 100% of my time because of my success in life...You can't say that and very likely never will.

                                                                                              You show everyone everyday how poorly you manage your time and when time is money, you are a poor manger of money too.

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                                                                                                Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                                                It's better and smarter to know about how time and money works You do not....You would be surprised how many very successful people (more than me) have difficulty's with their writing.

                                                                                                Unlike you and most others who say things just like you did I own 100% of my time because of my success in life...You can't say that and very likely never will.

                                                                                                You show everyone everyday how poorly you manage your time and when time is money, you are a poor manger of money too.
                                                                                                The aspect of 'anonymity' affords the prospect of sounding the way you do when wanting to feel more self-fulfilled in life... I'm happy what God gives me...
                                                                                                Hey, I'm fairly happy with my life, I don't need to sound greater than online, I appreciate the folks I interact with on this site, carry on Mr.WorldRenowned...
                                                                                                Last edited by kopp0e; 06-10-2021, 05:50 PM. Reason: wrong Webster dictionary issues...

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                                                                                                  Originally posted by kopp0e View Post

                                                                                                  The aspect of 'anonymity' affords the prospect of sounding the way you do when wanting to feel more self-fulfilled in life... I'm happy what God gives me...
                                                                                                  Hey, I'm fairly happy with my life, I don't need to sound greater than online, I appreciate the folks I interact with on this site, carry on Mr.WorldRenowned...
                                                                                                  Most would be happier if they didn't need to sell their time to a company. People like you who do not budget time well or understand money very well are going to be selling their time a lot longer than they would like.

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                                                                                                    So as someone who writes, reviews, and audits contract for accuracy and performance I have a hard time believing Joe C did not know these 1100 games would become the rule, rather than the exception. Either Joe C is pandering to the OU fanbase with bullshit like releases "angry" at game times or he is a fucking idiot. Either way, OU deserves better. OU is a prime time program and deserves better. With all the TV/Streaming options available and people have that have cut the cord, we deserve an admin who understands this.

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                                                                                                      Originally posted by OU48A View Post

                                                                                                      Most would be happier if they didn't need to sell their time to a company. People like you who do not budget time well or understand money very well are going to be selling their time a lot longer than they would like.
                                                                                                      Ha man, you're not bringing me down bro... Try to be happy & not live a life wanting to be the biggest figure in the room, there will always be someone bigger...
                                                                                                      As is carry on, at this point I find it humorous reading of "maximization" & all that, yet you spend your time on the same site as "us common folks", *take care...

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