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    Bo, The Team Doctor, Harbaugh, Oh Man

    Press conference coming June 10.. Matt Schembechler, stepson of Bo says he was sexually assaulted by Michigan's team doctor. And players are saying the same. Harbaugh defends his former coach. Bo told his players to "man up" or "I'll take care of it." Millie, Bo's wife went to AD Don Canham who swept it under the rug. Penn State, Michigan State, Ohio State, now Michigan? Pedo 1, 2, 3, 4.

    Link: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/c...sexual-assault

    The link requires a subscription to the Detroit Free Press. Sorry about that. I copied and pasted the story a couple posts down.
    Free Press needs subscription. Will copy and paste.
    Matt Schembechler: I told my dad about Dr. Anderson sexual assault in 1969

    David Jesse
    Detroit Free Press

    In 1969, a young Matt Schembechler sat in his family's Ann Arbor home, waiting for his dad to come in. He had news he needed to share — he had been sexually assaulted by the doctor that his dad, Bo Schembechler, then in the first year of what turned into an iconic career coaching the University of Michigan football team, had sent him to for a routine physical.

    He thought that would end the doctor's career at U-M.

    It didn't.

    Dr. Robert Anderson went on to work as a doctor at U-M until 2002, including being the head medical doctor for Schembechler's teams.

    Hundreds of U-M athletes have accused Anderson of sexually assaulting them, including fondling their genitals and giving them rectal exams, even when they showed up with sore elbows or sore throats. Other U-M students have accused Anderson of giving out draft deferrals from the Vietnam War in exchange for sex acts. Hundreds of men have sued the university for not stopping Anderson. The cases are currently in mediation in federal court.

    On Thursday afternoon, Matt Schembechler, along with Daniel Kwiatkowski, a Michigan offensive lineman from 1977-79, and Gilvanni Johnson, a wide receiver from 1982-86 who also played for the Detroit Lions in 1987, will hold a news conference to detail their allegations. According to a news release, Kwiatkowski was abused by Anderson four times and Johnson was assaulted 15 times.

    "The thing with Dr. Anderson (and) Bo has stuck with me for years," Matt Schembechler told the Free Press in a phone conversation Wednesday night. "It's been hurtful, I felt betrayed. The coverage of what happened at MSU with Dr. Nassar really woke me up."
    He said some players he knew have also talked in recent times about Anderson's abuse and that helped him as he thought about coming forward to "help make sure that nobody again has to go through something like this."

    The news release said Kwiatkowski was first assaulted during his first team physical in 1977, and when he reported the conduct to his coach, Bo Schembechler said Kwiatkowski should "toughen up."

    ccording to the news release, Johnson told his coach he was assaulted by Anderson during his first physical in 1982, but after Schembechler said he would address it with the medical staff, no changes were made.

    In May, an investigation conducted by the law firm WilmerHale concluded that Anderson's misconduct was reported "several times between 1978 and 1981," but that a "senior University administrator ... did not take appropriate action."

    Back in 1968, Anderson was just starting his career at U-M. Bo Schembechler married Matt's mom, Millie, and then in 1969 left Miami University of Ohio, where he had been the head coach, to come to Ann Arbor.

    Once in Ann Arbor, Matt wanted to play in youth sports. Schembechler sent him to Anderson for a required physical.

    Anderson fondled Matt's genitals and digitally penetrated him, Matt said.

    He told his mom, Millie, about it right away.

    "Even as a little kid, I knew it was really wrong," he said. "I knew if I told her she would tell me if it was wrong."

    Millie, a nurse, was upset and told Matt he needed to tell Bo about it when he got home from coaching.

    Matt did.

    Bo exploded in anger, Matt remembers. "I don't want to hear this," Matt said Bo said, adding Bo also said "never talk to me about this again."


    Nothing happened to Anderson, so a little later Millie went up the street to their neighbor — then-U-M athletic director Don Canham, who also would become a legend in the athletic department's history.

    "I thought he was the bee's knees so I was comfortable talking to him," Matt said.

    Canham came to Schembechler's house while Bo was at practice. Matt told him the same story. Don got quiet and said he'd take care of it.

    The young Matt thought that meant Anderson would be fired.

    Later, he heard Bo and Millie arguing and heard Bo say something about needing Anderson on his staff.

    Anderson went on to be heavily involved in all sorts of aspects of the athletic department, including the football team. In letters, memos, postcards, meeting minutes and other official papers documenting Canham's and Schembechler's time at Michigan, Anderson's name pops up regularly. He's found in letters documenting ideas discussed on football team plane trips; on rosters for stays at hotels for bowl games, and even in less-than-flattering reviews of his doctoring, a Free Press review of boxes of documents stored at U-M's Bentley Historical Library show.

    Canham died in 2005. Bo Schembechler died a year later. Anderson died in 2008.

    U-M admits sexual assaults and willing to pay, but says lawsuits must be tossed

    For the next several years, Matt got his physicals from someone else. But in 1975, Matt, now a high school sophomore, needed a physical.

    With the neighbor doctor gone, Bo sent Matt back to Anderson. Anderson again sexually assaulted Matt.

    During those early years in Ann Arbor, the entire football staff, including the Schembechlers and Andersons, hung around together a lot.

    "We were all very close," Matt said. "It was our social network. It was really nice, a really wonderful situation, except for Dr. Anderson."

    Last week, current Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh defended his former coach's reputation when asked about the Anderson situation at a football camp at Ferris State.

    "I can tell you this," Harbaugh said. "Bo Schembechler ... there was nothing that I saw in the times when I was a kid here, my dad was on staff or when I played here ... he never sat on anything. He never procrastinated on anything. He took care of it before the sun went down. That's the Bo Schembechler that I know. There's nothing that ever was swept under the rug or ignored. He addressed everything in a timely fashion. That's the Bo Schembechler that I knew."



    Last edited by MichSooner; 06-09-2021, 08:40 PM.

    #2
    I'm confused.

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      #3
      What’s with all the Pedo in the B1G?

      I told you we should go SEC, not B1G.

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        #4
        Big 10 loves kids, Big 12 hates blacks....

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          #5
          Originally posted by SoonerHank View Post
          What’s with all the Pedo in the B1G?

          I told you we should go SEC, not B1G.
          Difficult choice: pedo in the B1G or incest in the SEC.

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            #6
            Big 10…is it the name of their conference, or their age limit?

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              #7
              Originally posted by Socalisooner View Post
              Big 10 loves kids, Big 12 hates blacks....

              Actually, the SEC hates blacks and the PAC-12 hates America. I'm the guy who knows what he is talking about. You're the other guy.

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                #8
                Originally posted by zcaa0g View Post


                Actually, the SEC hates blacks and the PAC-12 hates America. I'm the guy who knows what he is talking about. You're the other guy.
                As hatred for transmorphers is ACC..? The nation is imploding on its own moniker divided we fall..? (& 'blacks' is not a race, we prefer negr-ohh, never mind)...



                Issues of schools in B1G has to have a cut off date, otherwise it makes the current league look incapable of governing itself... Let's just move beyond this no..?

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                  #9
                  We all should assume Nebraska's departure from the B12 was not the loss of the OU rivalry game, or their hatred for Texas, but their love of pedophilia and sexual assaults.

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                    #10
                    They used to check for a hernia by grabbing your nuts and making you cough. The finger up the butt served the same purpose. I don't know about the allegations of trading draft exemptions for sexual acts, or the old doctor a finger up somebody's butt for a sore throat, but you see the part about the main people being accused. This part here: dead, dead, dead. Unable to defend themselves or deny anything. Just smells like people trying to get money to me.

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                      #11
                      Originally posted by zcaa0g View Post


                      Actually, the SEC hates blacks and the PAC-12 hates America. I'm the guy who knows what he is talking about. You're the other guy.
                      You are the dumbest person alive.

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jack Wagon View Post
                        They used to check for a hernia by grabbing your nuts and making you cough. The finger up the butt served the same purpose. I don't know about the allegations of trading draft exemptions for sexual acts, or the old doctor a finger up somebody's butt for a sore throat, but you see the part about the main people being accused. This part here: dead, dead, dead. Unable to defend themselves or deny anything. Just smells like people trying to get money to me.
                        Yeah, just like I don't know about specific acts this doctor may or may have not committed, I don't know which people may be lining up for a gravy train. When you look at the Michigan State and Penn State payouts, it would be improbable that there weren't some.

                        It's pretty hard to believe all these people would be lying about this doctor. You even look at this specific claim, and you could say, "estranged son who has already sued his father and the school, now everyone is dead, maybe he has other motives." But when there are that many people who seemingly weren't just coming forward once the settlement fund has been established...

                        Same with Nassar. Too many accusers, busted with kiddie porn, etc. But even there, I know someone who was his patient who got the pelvic floor treatment from. She said he explained everything to her and her parents, did the treatment with the mom in the room, and no funny business occurred (like not wearing a glove or acting oddly, as reported in some other cased). Basically, the whole treatment would have had to be a sham for it to have for her to have been wronged. The thought has crossed my mind, since he was one of the main proponents of the treatment, and he sure seemed to administer it an awful lot. But other medical practitioners use it, too, and the person I know claimed it helped. She didn't go after any money, but there's no way she wouldn't have gotten some had she done so. I suspect that there are many people he abused that got money some patients that might just by lying, and some who heard what he did to other patients and thought, in retrospect, my "treatment" was probably abuse too.

                        The one that I really wonder about it Sandusky. While it wasn't exactly an episode of Perry Mason where the lawyer proved his client's innocence, I listened to a podcast recently (can't remember the name) where John Ziegler was interviewed and it raised some doubts about his guilt in my mind.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Jack Wagon View Post
                          They used to check for a hernia by grabbing your nuts and making you cough. The finger up the butt served the same purpose.
                          Is that what your doctor told you when he put his "finger" up your butt?

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Socalisooner View Post
                            Big 10 loves kids, Big 12 hates blacks....
                            You aint got a whole lot going for ya do ya.

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                              #15
                              What is with the Big 10 football? Maybe if the spent more time expanding their offensive playbooks, they would not have time for this crap. Fucking rust belt.

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                                #16
                                That's some crazy shit.

                                "Doc, I got a sore elbow."

                                "Okay, drop trou and bend over."

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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by LakelandSooner View Post

                                  You are the dumbest person alive.

                                  Oh look, SoCali finally found a friend. I feel sorry for you. Why do you hate America?

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by EatLeadCommie View Post

                                    Is that what your doctor told you when he put his "finger" up your butt?
                                    How else do you suppose pudding pops was invented..?

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                                      #19
                                      So when Les Miles said, "let her rip" it had a totally different meaning?

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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by LakelandSooner View Post

                                        You are the dumbest person alive.
                                        This is for you:

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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by MI Sooner View Post

                                          Yeah, just like I don't know about specific acts this doctor may or may have not committed, I don't know which people may be lining up for a gravy train. When you look at the Michigan State and Penn State payouts, it would be improbable that there weren't some.

                                          It's pretty hard to believe all these people would be lying about this doctor. You even look at this specific claim, and you could say, "estranged son who has already sued his father and the school, now everyone is dead, maybe he has other motives." But when there are that many people who seemingly weren't just coming forward once the settlement fund has been established...

                                          Same with Nassar. Too many accusers, busted with kiddie porn, etc. But even there, I know someone who was his patient who got the pelvic floor treatment from. She said he explained everything to her and her parents, did the treatment with the mom in the room, and no funny business occurred (like not wearing a glove or acting oddly, as reported in some other cased). Basically, the whole treatment would have had to be a sham for it to have for her to have been wronged. The thought has crossed my mind, since he was one of the main proponents of the treatment, and he sure seemed to administer it an awful lot. But other medical practitioners use it, too, and the person I know claimed it helped. She didn't go after any money, but there's no way she wouldn't have gotten some had she done so. I suspect that there are many people he abused that got money some patients that might just by lying, and some who heard what he did to other patients and thought, in retrospect, my "treatment" was probably abuse too.

                                          The one that I really wonder about it Sandusky. While it wasn't exactly an episode of Perry Mason where the lawyer proved his client's innocence, I listened to a podcast recently (can't remember the name) where John Ziegler was interviewed and it raised some doubts about his guilt in my mind.
                                          I can't speak for all the stuff you said, but as it applies to this case, I wonder how grown men, and grown men who play football at that, would allow themselves to be molested 14 times. This guy may very well be a creep, but that doesn't pass the smell test. You look at that Virginia Tech player that just beat a guy to death for catfishing him in 2021, and you think these guys in the 1960s and 70s wouldn't put a pedo doctor in his place?

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                                            #22
                                            I was always a Schembechler fan....I enjoyed watching the maize and blue growing up. But if this is indeed true, he can rot in the 7th circle of hell for not decapitating that doctor.

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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by Stormspencer View Post
                                              I was always a Schembechler fan....I enjoyed watching the maize and blue growing up. But if this is indeed true, he can rot in the 7th circle of hell for not decapitating that doctor.
                                              I never cared for Schembechler. Didn't hate him or anything but the dude seemed perpetually pissed off and mad about anything and everything.

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by EatLeadCommie View Post

                                                I can't speak for all the stuff you said, but as it applies to this case, I wonder how grown men, and grown men who play football at that, would allow themselves to be molested 14 times. This guy may very well be a creep, but that doesn't pass the smell test. You look at that Virginia Tech player that just beat a guy to death for catfishing him in 2021, and you think these guys in the 1960s and 70s wouldn't put a pedo doctor in his place?
                                                As a young man how often did you "put a . . . doctor" or any other authority figure for that matter "in his place"?

                                                Children used to be raised to respect authority and listen to their elders. They were conditioned not to question or speak up.

                                                We have seen this scenario play out in so many other arenas, talking about things other than collegiate sports, that what I am reading has the ring of truth to it.

                                                From the Yahoo! article:

                                                . . . as Matt tells it now, Bo told him he didn’t want to hear about the incident and even struck the child hard enough to knock him across the kitchen in the family’s Ann Arbor home.

                                                “My effort earned me a punch in the chest,” Matt Schembechler said Thursday at a news conference.


                                                . . . some 850 allegations from former players that Anderson would routinely fondle, abuse and rape them during routine physical therapy and checkups.

                                                The allegations against Anderson, who died in 2008, aren’t new. They were so prevalent at the time that Anderson was dubbed “Dr. Anal” by members of the football program.

                                                I don't believe this is about people trying to extort money from UM. These are grown men and I cannot believe they would stand up and testify in public they were sexually molested for attention or a payoff.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Ruprecht View Post
                                                  I never cared for Schembechler. Didn't hate him or anything but the dude seemed perpetually pissed off and mad about anything and everything.
                                                  His mentor was Woody Throat Punch Hayes. What’d ya expect?

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                                                    #26
                                                    my team doctor used to do a prostate check with both hands on your shoulders, perhaps I should sue?

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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by Shi++y_Shi+bird View Post

                                                      As a young man how often did you "put a . . . doctor" or any other authority figure for that matter "in his place"?

                                                      Children used to be raised to respect authority and listen to their elders. They were conditioned not to question or speak up.

                                                      We have seen this scenario play out in so many other arenas, talking about things other than collegiate sports, that what I am reading has the ring of truth to it.

                                                      From the Yahoo! article:

                                                      . . . as Matt tells it now, Bo told him he didn’t want to hear about the incident and even struck the child hard enough to knock him across the kitchen in the family’s Ann Arbor home.

                                                      “My effort earned me a punch in the chest,” Matt Schembechler said Thursday at a news conference.


                                                      . . . some 850 allegations from former players that Anderson would routinely fondle, abuse and rape them during routine physical therapy and checkups.

                                                      The allegations against Anderson, who died in 2008, aren’t new. They were so prevalent at the time that Anderson was dubbed “Dr. Anal” by members of the football program.

                                                      I don't believe this is about people trying to extort money from UM. These are grown men and I cannot believe they would stand up and testify in public they were sexually molested for attention or a payoff.
                                                      Good points all, but still. 14 times. If you aren't going to call out an authority figure, maybe you just go to a different doctor after time #4 or 5? Or maybe they weren't molested 14 times. A hernia check or even finger up the ass isn't molestation (although I question the necessity of a prostate check for college-age kids). I can tell you that as self-conscious as I was at that age about getting my hernia check, any time spent down there that was longer than necessary would not have resulted in the self-punishment of a return trip.

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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by EatLeadCommie View Post

                                                        Good points all, but still. 14 times. If you aren't going to call out an authority figure, maybe you just go to a different doctor after time #4 or 5? Or maybe they weren't molested 14 times. A hernia check or even finger up the ass isn't molestation (although I question the necessity of a prostate check for college-age kids). I can tell you that as self-conscious as I was at that age about getting my hernia check, any time spent down there that was longer than necessary would not have resulted in the self-punishment of a return trip.
                                                        Not sure they had a choice of doctors. He was the team doctor.
                                                        Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by EatLeadCommie View Post

                                                          I can't speak for all the stuff you said, but as it applies to this case, I wonder how grown men, and grown men who play football at that, would allow themselves to be molested 14 times. This guy may very well be a creep, but that doesn't pass the smell test. You look at that Virginia Tech player that just beat a guy to death for catfishing him in 2021, and you think these guys in the 1960s and 70s wouldn't put a pedo doctor in his place?
                                                          it was a different time...I'd say kids (yes even 18-20 yr olds) were raised to respect authority...blindly yes...but they did that. On top of that being at a major university on a football scholarship..and even Bo's own words..."get tougher" was the name of the game back then.

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                                                            #30
                                                            Do you have any idea how much shit Michigan fans gave Penn State fans over that sex scandal?

                                                            THIS is why you do not provoke the wrath of the College Football Gods.

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                                                              #31
                                                              Michigan universities and pedophiles. Name a more iconic duo.

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                                                                #32
                                                                Why the fuck do coaches let this stuff slide? Bo could have beat that doctors ass and kicked him out the door to possible prison time, but for some inexplicable reason they let it continue. This one is even crazier because his own kid was involved. Do they really think the evil actions of one man will tear down their entire program? I guess the risk was too much for cowardly men.

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                                                                  #33
                                                                  It’s absolutely wild that something like this stays buried for decades. 850 accusations? I know it was a different time but still, you gotta think the chances of getting your jaw broken if you blatantly molest a red-blooded football-playing teenage boy or young man are higher than 1 in 850 in any era.

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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by Balko View Post

                                                                    Difficult choice: pedo in the B1G or incest in the SEC.
                                                                    And gay in texsucks..

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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by busters444 View Post
                                                                      Why the fuck do coaches let this stuff slide? Bo could have beat that doctors ass and kicked him out the door to possible prison time, but for some inexplicable reason they let it continue. This one is even crazier because his own kid was involved. Do they really think the evil actions of one man will tear down their entire program? I guess the risk was too much for cowardly men.
                                                                      Not defending Bo. I am shocked hy this. I was in high school when Bo came to Michigan, the state where I lived. Michigan football was not as bad as the Blake years but it was in bad shape. Bo coming to Ann Arbor was like Bob Stoops coming to Norman But I will offer an explanation as to why he allededly ignored it. Not an excuse...there isn't one but an explanation.

                                                                      It was a different time back then. Bo in his first season with a team loaded with soft players who loved their former coach and who generally didn't mind if they lost.
                                                                      Bo, a strict, conservative coach, who played and coached under Woody Hayes, on a very liberal campus where students cared more about getting stoned and protesting the War than football. All that points to a man who would not tolerate a rogue doctor so sluffing it off seems very uncharacterisic of Bo. And if this was going on in the mid1980s, it is truly shocking that it was ignored.

                                                                      i recall the feeling when I got my first physical for Boy Scout camp about 1963. Standing naked in front of my doctor and he said, "look left and cough" while he touched my crotch. I never told my Dad because I knew he would say, "toughen up and take it like a man" or "I don't want to hear about it". That's just the way it was back then, at least, to me. Maybe Matt felt the way I did but was brave enough to tell his parents. And Bo probably had the same experience in his youth and was told to "quit complaining and don't be a sissy",

                                                                      Today, there are not just different expectations but there are laws established that were not in effect back then.

                                                                      Regarding another comment a couple posts back, Matt Schembechler is Bo's stepson and other stuff, including lawsuits by Matt against Bo and Michigan which Matt lost, points to a rocky relationahip. Maybe Matt got a smaller inheritence than Bo's children.
                                                                      Last edited by MichSooner; 06-13-2021, 11:13 AM.

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                                                                        #36
                                                                        It’s not gay if you wait 15 years after everybody died to talk about it.

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                                                                          #37
                                                                          Originally posted by 49cent View Post
                                                                          It’s not gay if you wait 15 years after everybody died to talk about it.
                                                                          We just got to cough & like it, it the butt you say..? Butters...



                                                                          I think this will all be forgotten next year, Harbaugh is back...

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                                                                            #38
                                                                            Originally posted by busters444 View Post
                                                                            Why the fuck do coaches let this stuff slide?
                                                                            most likely complicit. Think of the mindset it takes to know your own child was touched like that, only to not do a damn thing. Same thing with Paterno. You know you have an active predator and choose not to do anything? That behavior is not normal, and it shouldn't be treated as such.

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                                                                              #39
                                                                              Originally posted by busters444 View Post
                                                                              Why the fuck do coaches let this stuff slide?

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                                                                                #40
                                                                                Originally posted by MI Sooner View Post

                                                                                Yeah, just like I don't know about specific acts this doctor may or may have not committed, I don't know which people may be lining up for a gravy train. When you look at the Michigan State and Penn State payouts, it would be improbable that there weren't some.

                                                                                It's pretty hard to believe all these people would be lying about this doctor. You even look at this specific claim, and you could say, "estranged son who has already sued his father and the school, now everyone is dead, maybe he has other motives." But when there are that many people who seemingly weren't just coming forward once the settlement fund has been established...

                                                                                Same with Nassar. Too many accusers, busted with kiddie porn, etc. But even there, I know someone who was his patient who got the pelvic floor treatment from. She said he explained everything to her and her parents, did the treatment with the mom in the room, and no funny business occurred (like not wearing a glove or acting oddly, as reported in some other cased). Basically, the whole treatment would have had to be a sham for it to have for her to have been wronged. The thought has crossed my mind, since he was one of the main proponents of the treatment, and he sure seemed to administer it an awful lot. But other medical practitioners use it, too, and the person I know claimed it helped. She didn't go after any money, but there's no way she wouldn't have gotten some had she done so. I suspect that there are many people he abused that got money some patients that might just by lying, and some who heard what he did to other patients and thought, in retrospect, my "treatment" was probably abuse too.

                                                                                The one that I really wonder about it Sandusky. While it wasn't exactly an episode of Perry Mason where the lawyer proved his client's innocence, I listened to a podcast recently (can't remember the name) where John Ziegler was interviewed and it raised some doubts about his guilt in my mind.
                                                                                It's an unpopular opinion but Nassar is quite different from Sandusky. No one except another medical professional knows what is inappropriate touching. And most could conceive of a medical pretext most of the time. A doctor's job requires touching. OTOH the football coach's job does not involve showering with orphans.

                                                                                Nonetheless there have now been scandals at four of the major BUG schools. That conference is and always has been the first to point fingers at the flaws of the rest of us.

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                                                                                  #41
                                                                                  Originally posted by Notre Dame Joe View Post

                                                                                  It's an unpopular opinion but Nassar is quite different from Sandusky. No one except another medical professional knows what is inappropriate touching. And most could conceive of a medical pretext most of the time. A doctor's job requires touching. OTOH the football coach's job does not involve showering with orphans.
                                                                                  Bullshit. You know damn well that Nassar's putting his finger in a girl's anus and vagina is "inappropriate touching." So did the girls whose vaginas and anuses he digitally penetrated with ungloved hands. And so did Nassar. Yes, Nassar's offense is different from Sandusky's, but it was still criminal sexual assault of girls 16 and younger, with some younger than 13.
                                                                                  Larry Nassar practiced osteopathic manipulative medicine. But the prosecutor in his sexual abuse trial says he penetrated patients with his finger.

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                                                                                    #42
                                                                                    Originally posted by Balko View Post

                                                                                    Bullshit. You know damn well that Nassar's putting his finger in a girl's anus and vagina is "inappropriate touching." So did the girls whose vaginas and anuses he digitally penetrated with ungloved hands. And so did Nassar. Yes, Nassar's offense is different from Sandusky's, but it was still criminal sexual assault of girls 16 and younger, with some younger than 13.
                                                                                    You do understand that doctors, likely including one who delivered you, routinely digitally penetrate their patients, right?

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                                                                                      #43
                                                                                      Originally posted by Balko View Post

                                                                                      Bullshit. You know damn well that Nassar's putting his finger in a girl's anus and vagina is "inappropriate touching." So did the girls whose vaginas and anuses he digitally penetrated with ungloved hands. And so did Nassar. Yes, Nassar's offense is different from Sandusky's, but it was still criminal sexual assault of girls 16 and younger, with some younger than 13.
                                                                                      Yeah I knew it after I read it in a news article, just like you did. And if I had been a gymnast parent I would have been completely incapable of knowing what he was doing. In fact some times Nassar did it with the parent in the examination room.

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                                                                                        #44
                                                                                        Originally posted by Balko View Post

                                                                                        Bullshit. You know damn well that Nassar's putting his finger in a girl's anus and vagina is "inappropriate touching." So did the girls whose vaginas and anuses he digitally penetrated with ungloved hands. And so did Nassar. Yes, Nassar's offense is different from Sandusky's, but it was still criminal sexual assault of girls 16 and younger, with some younger than 13.
                                                                                        I don't think Notre Dame Joe was arguing that what Nassar did wasn't criminal.

                                                                                        Originally posted by MI Sooner View Post

                                                                                        You do understand that doctors, likely including one who delivered you, routinely digitally penetrate their patients, right?
                                                                                        With ungloved hands?
                                                                                        Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

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                                                                                          #45
                                                                                          Let me break it down for you, there are some people that need money.

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                                                                                            #46
                                                                                            Originally posted by MichSooner View Post

                                                                                            Not defending Bo. I am shocked hy this. I was in high school when Bo came to Michigan, the state where I lived. Michigan football was not as bad as the Blake years but it was in bad shape. Bo coming to Ann Arbor was like Bob Stoops coming to Norman But I will offer an explanation as to why he allededly ignored it. Not an excuse...there isn't one but an explanation.

                                                                                            It was a different time back then. Bo in his first season with a team loaded with soft players who loved their former coach and who generally didn't mind if they lost.
                                                                                            Bo, a strict, conservative coach, who played and coached under Woody Hayes, on a very liberal campus where students cared more about getting stoned and protesting the War than football. All that points to a man who would not tolerate a rogue doctor so sluffing it off seems very uncharacterisic of Bo. And if this was going on in the mid1980s, it is truly shocking that it was ignored.

                                                                                            i recall the feeling when I got my first physical for Boy Scout camp about 1963. Standing naked in front of my doctor and he said, "look left and cough" while he touched my crotch. I never told my Dad because I knew he would say, "toughen up and take it like a man" or "I don't want to hear about it". That's just the way it was back then, at least, to me. Maybe Matt felt the way I did but was brave enough to tell his parents. And Bo probably had the same experience in his youth and was told to "quit complaining and don't be a sissy",

                                                                                            Today, there are not just different expectations but there are laws established that were not in effect back then.

                                                                                            Regarding another comment a couple posts back, Matt Schembechler is Bo's stepson and other stuff, including lawsuits by Matt against Bo and Michigan which Matt lost, points to a rocky relationahip. Maybe Matt got a smaller inheritence than Bo's children.
                                                                                            No, back then we didn't arrest people like that, we hung them by their hands over the hog pen and let the porkers do their work.

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                                                                                              #47
                                                                                              Originally posted by Stinger_1066 View Post

                                                                                              I don't think Notre Dame Joe was arguing that what Nassar did wasn't criminal.



                                                                                              With ungloved hands?
                                                                                              Sorry, didn't read carefully enough.

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                                                                                                #48
                                                                                                Originally posted by Ruprecht View Post

                                                                                                I never cared for Schembechler. Didn't hate him or anything but the dude seemed perpetually pissed off and mad about anything and everything.
                                                                                                Well, he never lacked a reason;

                                                                                                From an ND fan site:


                                                                                                they have a fine program that is noted, in particular, for coughing up hairballs in big games. Let's review the record of their greatest coach, Bo Schembechler --
                                                                                                1969: Michigan wins the Big 10 but then loses the Rose Bowl to USC 10-3

                                                                                                1970: Michigan is 9-0 heading into Ohio State but comes up short 20-9

                                                                                                1971: Michigan is 11-0 and facing heavy underdog Stanford in the Rose Bowl: 13-12 Stanford

                                                                                                1972: 10-0 heading into OSU: 14-11 Buckeyes

                                                                                                1973: 10-0 and Michigan has Ohio State at home: 10-10 tie and the conference athletic directors vote to send the Buckeyes to the Rose Bowl

                                                                                                1974: 10-0 heading into Columbus: 12-10 Buckeyes

                                                                                                1975: 8-0-2 and have OSU at home: 21-14 OSU. But good news, the Big 10 now allows other Big 10 teams to go to a bowl. 14-6 Oklahoma over Michigan in the Orange Bowl

                                                                                                1976: Inexplicable 16-14 loss to Purdue, but Michigan finally gets by Ohio State and goes to the Rose Bowl. Oh goody: 14-6 USC

                                                                                                1977: Another dumb conference loss, this one 16-0 to Minnesota. But they beat the Buckeyes and they're back in the Rose Bowl and a huge favorite over 7-4 Washington, so finally Michigan's going to win the Rose Bowl. Oops: 27-20 Washington

                                                                                                1978: This time the conference gag is against MSU but the Wolves beat the Bucks again and are back in the Rose Bowl. Same song, 18th verse: 17-10 USC

                                                                                                1979: Michigan has Devine's worst team in Ann Arbor and the Wolves have already tuned up on Northwestern and it's ND's opener. No matter, Bob Crable blocks a game-winning FG attempt and ND wins 12-10. 8-3 Michigan finally gets an easy bowl opponent, UNC in the Gator Bowl. Thanks for playing Bo: 17-15 UNC.

                                                                                                1980: Finally Michigan wins a Rose Bowl (over Washington). But a 51-yard FG by Harry Oliver beats UM in ND stadium. The next week the stunned Wolves also lose to South Carolina, removing them from NC consideration.

                                                                                                1981: Bo finally beats ND (Faust's 5-6 team) and beats UCLA in a bowl game. The bad news? It's the Bluebonnet Bowl.

                                                                                                1982: Bo gets beat by Faust but still makes it to the Rose Bowl at 8-3 and plays UCLA. UCLA wins of course, 24-14.

                                                                                                1983: Good news: ND's off the schedule for Bo. Bad news, they have to play Washington again and lose 27-25. 9-2 Michigan gets invited to the Sugar Bowl where they lose to Auburn 9-7. Bo has now managed to lose 3 of the then-Big 4 bowls.

                                                                                                1984: Michigan flops around to a 6-5 record and then makes history as the weakest opponent ever in a bowl game for a national championship team as BYU gets by them 24-17 to claim the NC even though BYU would've been a 2-touchdown underdog to either Oklahoma or Nebraska.

                                                                                                1985: A conference loss to Iowa and a tie with Illinois keeps UM out of the Rose Bowl and NC consideration. UM does beat Nebraska in the Fiesta Bowl.

                                                                                                1986: Familiar scene. ND is jobbed by a bad call as the game-winning TD is ruled out of bounds. UM somehow loses to Minnesota in Ann Arbor but still makes it to the Rose Bowl where the Wolves lose 22-15 to ASU. ASU is now the 5th Pac 8 or 10 team to beat Bo's teams in the Rose Bowl.

                                                                                                1987: Lou drills UM 26-7 in Ann Arbor. Michigan suffers 3 more losses to go 8-4.

                                                                                                1988: Gillette's miss allows ND to win 19-17 setting up ND's 12-0 season. UM does finally manage to win the Rose Bowl over USC. ND wins the national title having already defeated both Rose Bowl participants.

                                                                                                1989: Rocket runs back two kickoffs and Michigan loses 24-19. Michigan plays well and wins the next 10 before losing the Rose Bowl to USC. ND beats both participants in the Rose Bowl, again.
                                                                                                And thus concludes Bo's career.

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                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                  Add Ohio State to the list.



                                                                                                  Former Ohio State students who said they were sexually abused by late university physician Richard Strauss are calling on the NCAA and Big Ten conference to investigate the university.

                                                                                                  In a letter that attorneys planned to send Wednesday or Thursday, former students called on the NCAA to "investigate OSU for intentional actions that led to the harm" of hundreds of students and student athletes.

                                                                                                  In a separate letter to the Big Ten, the students called on the conference to investigate Ohio State "for intentionally covering up Dr. Strauss's sexual abuse" of students and "force the university to take action designed to ensure that future students attending Ohio State are protected from sexual predators."
                                                                                                  Ohio State students who said they were sexually abused by Dr. Richard Strauss want the NCAA and Big Ten conference to investigate the university.
                                                                                                  Give me Liberty, or give me Death!

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                                                                                                    #50
                                                                                                    Originally posted by Notre Dame Joe View Post
                                                                                                    Well, he never lacked a reason;

                                                                                                    From an ND fan site:
                                                                                                    Thanks for posting that. Hilarious!!!! It's funny because back when he was coaching his nickname was "Bo Schembungler"...

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