2023 Recruiting Class - #...............Discussion Thread

[novasooner]

https://www.si.com/college/2022/06/2...all-recruiting

3. Jackson Arnold - Oklahoma

The arm talent Arnold showed at just about every station was obvious and some of the off-platform plays he made led to audible reactions from scouts and onlookers alike. The Texan steps into his throws with elite power, but showed touch at a higher clip on Tuesday compared to the regional workout in which he punched his ticket to the finals in March. Arnold has a fluid motion and quick release, with some ability to manipulate the arm angle during a delivery—some of the most ideal modern-day traits in the class.

Getting serious Baker vibes with this one.

[gratefulRed]

Just won my 27th amateur fight last Saturday. Not great but I'm good with it.

you must be one tough sonofabitch...because you've clearly been taking lots of blows to the head.

[soonerbms]

10-4. When are you available? I'll have my son talk to him. He seems to be a good kid. You'll like him.

You tell me the time and place, man. For something like this, I’ll make the schedule work. If he actually wants to talk to me, I’ll sell OU hard.

[really]

Anyone know why Manning didn't attend Elite 11

He busy finding a bank with enough $$$$ to cash his NIL check

[smusooner]

I'll tell you what little bitch. I'll be back for a few home games next season. If you really want to talk shit I'll be glad to do it in person. Otherwise stfu

This is the kind of old school smack talk I miss on boards.

[CalSOONER]

I'll tell you what little bitch. I'll be back for a few home games next season. If you really want to talk shit I'll be glad to do it in person. Otherwise stfu

Ooooooh, internet tuff guyz alert!

When you say home games, am I supposed to meet you in Stillwater, College Station or Tuscaloosa?

[CalSOONER]

Just won my 27th amateur fight last Saturday. Not great but I'm good with it.

So, this is the part that's supposed to scare me into meekly deciding not to continue calling out a cunt troll?

[LesPaul]

Just won my 27th amateur fight last Saturday. Not great but I'm good with it.

Mike Tyson knockout on NES doesn’t count champ but you keep punching

[Jasooner]

Yes there is because that was the way Dabo did it. All it means is don’t “commit” until you are done taking visits. If you take visits we will keep recruiting your position. I’d much rather go this route than the way we have been the past 4 years. Have top ranked recruits commit early, shut down recruiting the position, and then in November or December watch the commit leave us at the alter for another school and have no back-up plan.

Dabo wasn't dealing with the NIL era.

[soonerbms]

I don’t want him to think we’re Smothering him, but Daylan needs to go ahead and announce his commitment.

[LesPaul]

Dabo wasn't dealing with the NIL era.

So you think letting a kid commit and still take visits will counter act the NIL? That’s comical. Cash trumps everything visiting or not

[Jasooner]

Just checked the numbers, and we currently have 38 four stars on the roster with the incoming freshmen... 47 if you count the transfers. Brent signed eighteen 4* and three 3* in 22 class. We're a long way from 3*U.

I hate to say it, but LR recruited majority of those 4 star kids on the roster and most of those from the 22 class who stuck around.

That's why I say we better come out looking like world beaters this season in order to attract recruits who are on the fence, otherwise we might be in for some disappointing future seasons, as hard as that is to fathom.

[TheBorenSupremacy]

Sorry, huge post, but I'm bored waiting for the first day at my new job and I'm curious about the argument we've been having so take this for the dumb data science adjacent exercise it is.

The What: Is there a relationship between visits, decommitments and ultimately transferring?

The Why: We've been going back and forth on the effectiveness of Brent's recruiting strategy (IMO early returns are discouraging, but I'm not panicking yet) and I wanted to try to put some numbers to it.

The How:I manually coded 247's top 100 recruits in the 2019 class for whether or not they had decommitted at some point in the process, when they took their visits and whether or not they finished their career (or at least is still at) at the school they signed with. Then ran regressions, correlations and simple COUNTIFS in Excel.

The Interesting Results:
Overall, 26 of the top 100 recruits decommitted at some point and 39 ended up transferring (not just entering the portal)

Taking visits after committing is roughly a 50-50 proposition as to whether or not the recruit will stay committed (19 and 19, but some recruits took visits before decommitting from an earlier commtiment *and* after making their final commitment, hello Scooby Carter)

Only one QB decommitted during the process (Sam Howell), he ended up being one of the two QBs who did not transfer (6 QBs in top 100 recruits)

Perhaps unsurprisingly, there's a positive correlation between recruiting ranking and likelihood to transfer, maybe more surprisingly the lower the ranking, the less likely to decommit

23% (6/26) of recruits who decommitted ended up recommitting to a team they had decommitted from
30% (8/26) of decommits happened without taking a visit

Minimal correlation between decommitting at some point in the process and transferring

Next Steps I Won't Be Taking: Realistically the core of OU's class isn't going to be top 100 players, do those 101-300 kids act wildly differently? It's entirely possible and I could hypothesize that they would. This was also a weird class with Bru McCoy, Chris Steele and Scooby Carter, 2018 might've been a better choice

What Does It Mean For Our Debate? Part of what makes the argument so popular is how it involves things that can't be answered by data (A middle finger to the current state of affairs in recruiting etc.) but in my read it is simply a question of whether or not the momentum opportunity passed up by not taking in the moment visit commits (who'll then go take other visits) worth the roughly 20% loss in likelihood to decommit? Right now I would say no.

Another question that can't be answered right now is whether or not there are enough elite kids who are willing to shut it down for a family feel for two Clemsons to exist at once. Personally, I think Brent deserves at least a cycle to try it his way, but we're not seeing half the momentum other new coaches are, and that's worrisome.

If there's anything else in this "dataset" you're interested in exploring the relationship between, let me know and if you want to quote this, please use select parts to avoid making the page unreadable.

[Jasooner]

So you think letting a kid commit and still take visits will counter act the NIL? That’s comical. Cash trumps everything visiting or not

That's fair.

All I'm saying is that Brent doesn't have the cache Dabo has in order to roll that way

[soonerbms]

Cole Adams tweeted that he’ll be announcing his commitment later today. Alabama is a huge favorite. Between Hasz, Tease, and Adams, Tulsa has been a real nightmare for us this cycle.

[LesPaul]

That's fair.

All I'm saying is that Brent doesn't have the cache Dabo has in order to roll that way

I get it but Dabo didn’t either when he took over Clemson and it worked out ok.
Look I dunno if his stance on committing will work or not but I’m willing to give it a chance and see if it works. In the long run it doesn’t really matter IMO.under the last regime Recruit A visits Norman and commits then visits Bama and then de-commits and goes there…is there really any difference in the end? No so I’m ok with the policy of don’t commit to us until after you’re done with all your visits.
All this teeth knashing and hand wringing in June is comical. If we’re sitting like this in December then I’ll understand it.

[LakelandSooner]

So, this is the part that's supposed to scare me into meekly deciding not to continue calling out a cunt troll?

If you really want to know pm me and I'll tell you where

[MJSooner]

Well, at least Texas is struggling on the recruiting front too.

[Empire]

[BirtDurglar]

If you really want to know pm me and I'll tell you where

How about you drink clorox and fuck off instead?
Seriously, gtfo.

[Blah]

Well, at least Texas is struggling on the recruiting front too.

Blah?

[Empire]

Too bad Percy isn’t around anymore to fuck with this Lakeland retard.

[LakelandSooner]

How about you drink clorox and fuck off instead?
Seriously, gtfo.

Hey little bitch

[SoonerHank]

Does it make everyone feel better when we get guys to commit in June only to sign with other teams in February? That happened a lot with the previous staff. Also, recruiting guys rated 4-5 stars who never Developed beyond their high school talent. That also happened a lot.

I believe the recruiting, coaching, and development will be better with BV. However, we will have to wait and see. I also think the crying about recruiting is premature but if it makes you feel better, go right ahead.

[LakelandSooner]

Too bad Percy isn’t around anymore to fuck with this Lakeland retard.

So just dumb as ever. Not even trying to hide your obsession with little boys.

[BirtDurglar]

Hey little bitch

h3y l1TtL3 b1TcH hur hur


No one is afraid of you, you dumb fucking mongloid.

[M40]

So you think letting a kid commit and still take visits will counter act the NIL? That’s comical. Cash trumps everything visiting or not

You are correct in that NIL is king. A&M explains it all

[CalSOONER]

Too bad Percy isn’t around anymore to fuck with this Lakeland retard.

Hey, where is Percy?

[CalSOONER]

If you really want to know pm me and I'll tell you where

OK, sure. I'll spend several hundred dollars to fly across the country, only to:

• End up in prison for beating you to death, or ...
• End up in the hospital after you and your mongoloid friends gang mangle me, or ...
• Show up in some random place like a fool, and no one's there, or ...
• End up in a mortuary after I arrive and take a .45 round to the skull.

Seriously, you need to take a look at yourself. In addition to being a cunt troll, you have some mental issues that warrant a long and steady diet of professional help.

[LakelandSooner]

OK, sure. I'll spend several hundred dollars to fly across the country, only to:

• End up in prison for beating you to death, or ...
• End up in the hospital after you and your mongoloid friends gang mangle me, or ...
• Show up in some random place like a fool, and no one's there, or ...
• End up in a mortuary after I arrive and take a .45 round to the skull.

Seriously, you need to take a look at yourself. In addition to being a cunt troll, you have some mental issues that warrant a long and steady diet of professional help.

It's cool. You are obviously a pussy. I'll put my exact location up if you do also.

[Soonerpsycho]

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[Quik Sand]

Anthony Hill down to Texas or Texas A&M.

[BirtDurglar]

Anthony Hill down to Texas or Texas A&M.

And the hits just keep on coming.

[SoonerHank]

It's cool. You are obviously a pussy. I'll put my exact location up if you do also.

The more you post, the dumber you sound. You have no self awareness. I’m embarrassed for you. You don’t realize you’re acting like a fool.

Are you going to beat up the whole world? Take some anger management classes or maybe just stop posting and reflect on your poor choices.

Either way STOP POSTING YOUR STUPID FUCKING SHIT IN THIS THREAD.

[soonerbms]

And the hits just keep on coming.

You’re not allowed to point out that something is bad news or criticize our recruiting “strategy” on this thread. You need to apologize.

[Mindreader101]

BV better go 11-2 or better if we have any shot at these recruits next year. At least we need to beat Texassss

[TheBoots]

He'll, all Brent needs to do is offer some of the badasses on this thread and we have a Mean Machine 2022

[Mindreader101]

Cole Adams just committed to Alabama.

[BirtDurglar]

Cole Adams just committed to Alabama.

An utter failure of strategy.

[Chief Tbird]

Anthony Hill down to Texas or Texas A&M.

This one stings.

I don't know what the hell is going on or who's to blame, but for those of you saying "we'll be fine" need to understand how far we're falling behind the top tier schools. I am sure BV and Lebby will field a very good team this season, but without blue chips coming in to reload we could find ourselves in 3-5 loss territory quick.

Losing all these kids that are within a few hundred miles is concerning. Yes it's possible one or two could flip but that's usually a small number if any that do.

This ship needs to get righted quickly.

[TheBoots]

An utter failure of strategy.

He was the 14th receiver on our offer list.

If Adams took two visits to Oklahoma and one visit to Alabama before he committed to Alabama, might it just be that he liked Alabama better?

How is that a strategy failure?

[M40]

This one stings.

I don't know what the hell is going on or who's to blame, but for those of you saying "we'll be fine" need to understand how far we're falling behind the top tier schools. I am sure BV and Lebby will field a very good team this season, but without blue chips coming in to reload we could find ourselves in 3-5 loss territory quick.

Losing all these kids that are within a few hundred miles is concerning. Yes it's possible one or two could flip but that's usually a small number if any that do.

This ship needs to get righted quickly.

Unfortunately if the school doesn’t allow for agressive NIL offers like others then this will be the new normal

[BirtDurglar]

He was the 14th receiver on our offer list.


How is that a strategy failure?

Thats all you had to say. Letting the best player in the state, a legit 4 star WR, go to Bama while we chase out of state recievers who also arent coming here is a failure.
Bama waa in on Adams early and consistently while we basically ignored him.


But hey. We got a 3 star lineman and a "Yamaha" tweet from Demarco this summer, so all good.

[TheJaffe]

Thats all you had to say. Letting the best player in the state, a legit 4 star WR, go to Bama while we chase out of state recievers who also arent coming here is a failure.
Bama waa in on Adam early and consistently while we basically ignored him.


But hey. We got a 3 star lineman and a "Yamaha" tweet from Demarco this summer, so all good.

Who said Adams is the best player in state? Why lie?

[TheJaffe]

And another thing, stop saying Jobe is from Norman. He has been staying in Norman. The two are not the same. Dude has zero legit connections to the town. Ironically the okie kids that are being bitched about wouldn’t have received offers under the other staff. I’ll give Brent and company credit for recruiting these kids. If nothing else Oklahoma High school coaches can shut the fuck up now. Their players aren’t being ignored anymore, so that’s one less thing OU has to hear about moving forward. Brent isn’t a dummy, he will be paying attention to schools whose players don’t reciprocate the attention they are receiving. P.S. only an extreme homer thought Hill was coming to OU. Let Aggie and Texas burn through their money for players that only care about getting paid. OU needs talent, but the talent has to want to become great at football. Mark my words, a lot of these kids are going to schools thinking short time and not long term. But this has nothing to do with winning people. OU does have to up their bag game, but they will bring in some talent.

[Quik Sand]

Announces tomorrow, looks like it will be OU.

https://247sports.com/player/samuel-omosigho-46114688/

[soonerbms]

Still nothing on Smothers despite Murray’s “Yamaha” last night…

[AdonijahAijalon]

Thats all you had to say. Letting the best player in the state, a legit 4 star WR, go to Bama while we chase out of state recievers who also arent coming here is a failure.
Bama waa in on Adam early and consistently while we basically ignored him.


But hey. We got a 3 star lineman and a "Yamaha" tweet from Demarco this summer, so all good.

We beat Bama for Florida WR Keyon Brown. Have you watched his highlight film?

[Empire]

Thats all you had to say. Letting the best player in the state, a legit 4 star WR, go to Bama while we chase out of state recievers who also arent coming here is a failure.
Bama waa in on Adams early and consistently while we basically ignored him.


But hey. We got a 3 star lineman and a "Yamaha" tweet from Demarco this summer, so all good.

Silly comments.

Cole Adams - TBOW had WR commits from Inniss, Moore, Lemon, and had Jalen Hale ready to commit. TBOW and Simmons likely paid zero attention to Adams at all.
The new staff trying to piece WR recruiting back together again, took some time to evaluate Adams further putting OU behind in his recruiting.

It was more the previous regime screwing things up for us in ‘23 than anything with Venables and his staff.

Just another reason TBOW can get fucked. Screwed over one of the best d-line classes ever at OU for ‘22, destroyed the ‘23 class to pieces.

[Ruprecht]

The way this recruiting is going can we just go ahead and turn this thread back into fight club?